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5. I totally understand the need for patience. Something this big will take years to unravel.

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:08 AM

Nov 2017

But the one thing that needs to happen sooner, rather than later, is for it to conclusively and unassailably reach Trump.

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***Important thread/info on what's coming & scope*** [View all] MelissaB Nov 2017 OP

I agree MFM008 Nov 2017 #1

VENONA ran from 1943 to 1980, folks Not Ruth Nov 2017 #2

I had to google because I either didn't know or forgot. Then looked at the list of names involved. MelissaB Nov 2017 #4

Start here: calimary Nov 2017 #68

Many of the cryptologists were women! Louis1895 Nov 2017 #80

YEAH!!! Wouldn't that be terrific? Well-earned. calimary Nov 2017 #122

Coed Talkers klook Nov 2017 #127

Bletchley Circle... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #128

Check out "Bletchley Circle" on The BBC. volstork Nov 2017 #137

I read quite a bit about the Rosenbergs and murielm99 Nov 2017 #94

So did I. Hadn't heard about Venona before this. calimary Nov 2017 #121

Sounds like just another facet of the Cold War... tomp Nov 2017 #118

It's time for those of us that walk upright on two feet to prepare for protests in the streets again ffr Nov 2017 #3

The only effective protest Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #13

Disagree station agent Nov 2017 #25

Snark here Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #83

Unfortunately, they didn't, partly because they were barely covered. LisaM Nov 2017 #97

reductio ad absurdum LanternWaste Nov 2017 #100

How is it absurd? Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #107

Cheney was likely shitfaced drunk..... magicarpet Nov 2017 #119

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What party was in charge when most of the civil right legislation was passed? Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #82

You're confusing cause with effect. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #101

The cause and effect trope is overcome Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #108

Protesting brings public awareness which ultimately is the lunatica Nov 2017 #56

In this climate Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #84

Fatso's ass kissers don't matter, however, they weren't the only people that voted for him. Sugarcoated Nov 2017 #112

It is certainly a mandatory part of it, but I am not sure it's the "only" effective method. nt Gore1FL Nov 2017 #67

Election 2000, 2004, 2016 are evidence to the contrary. tomp Nov 2017 #71

All of those elections were stolen Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #85

Huh? NT tomp Nov 2017 #104

I think you need to pick one: shanny Nov 2017 #139

hell no. there are 88 universities endorsing 257 limbaugh stations and they need certainot Nov 2017 #75

Limpballs Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #90

disagree. democrats have been trying for media reregulation for decades certainot Nov 2017 #113

What specifically leads you to allege that? LanternWaste Nov 2017 #99

Name one Aviation Pro Nov 2017 #109

I totally understand the need for patience. Something this big will take years to unravel. Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #5

Agreed. While we're being patient 45* is ruining this country groundloop Nov 2017 #52

We won't get that till the songbirds start singing. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #70

Description of Venona project RKP5637 Nov 2017 #6

It makes me wonder if the FBI is still actively following leads on JFK Not Ruth Nov 2017 #8

It wouldn't surprise me. I think some of these investigations go on a very very long time. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #15

Nope, because they know who did it and there was no conspiracy. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2017 #19

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Actually, no, it was a conspiracy robersl Nov 2017 #49

You are correct. volstork Nov 2017 #138

Thanks. Fascinating read. Enoki33 Nov 2017 #14

It was quite interesting. I knew some of these things went on, of course, but the article summed RKP5637 Nov 2017 #16

List of Americans involved MelissaB Nov 2017 #21

Incredible! It will be interesting to see Mueller's list when finished. I bet it goes on a long RKP5637 Nov 2017 #92

I had never heard of it. Thanks! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #47

Whew! Now I don't feel stupid. I was wondering MelissaB Nov 2017 #57

I've read a fair number of books on twentieth century spycraft... Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #64

I hadn't heard of all of it either, just pieces, but did not know it was a whole project and didn't RKP5637 Nov 2017 #95

All this mess could've been avoided last November. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #7

If The Election Was Rigged? SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #89

I see what you mean. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #96

Me too. triron Nov 2017 #111

sounds about right. iceberg, tip of. unblock Nov 2017 #9

I cant wait to be stunned lunatica Nov 2017 #60

I'm already stunned -- look at this list! RandomAccess Nov 2017 #114

Didn't mention Repugs in Congress in /6, which worries me. eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #10

Rohrbacher, Dustbin Nunes, Ryan and McTurdle are all implicated. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #26

Your lips to Mueller's ears. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #37

McConnell, Ryan, & other Rs got Russian money for their campaigns. nt tblue37 Nov 2017 #126

that may be right wrt legal angles. What is in front of us is what to do about it politically. If wiggs Nov 2017 #11

I can be patient BUT . . . Vidal Nov 2017 #12

The other investigation took 38 years, and the JFK investigation may be ongoing Not Ruth Nov 2017 #18

I get it. "Taking names and kicking ass", takes time. oasis Nov 2017 #17

Unfortunately, with drumpf at the reigns, we don't have time. lark Nov 2017 #32

That is my concern. NO TIME to save ourselves.. pangaia Nov 2017 #74

I was beginning to think that Lawlessness would prevail sagesnow Nov 2017 #20

Same here! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #98

Russian tentacles are intertwined into every aspect of power and control in the US. procon Nov 2017 #22

The US population is very gullible in many ways, can be controlled by psycops, the wealthy by RKP5637 Nov 2017 #31

Would say that most Democrats have also been lacking in awareness delisen Nov 2017 #58

Yes!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #88

****This*** MelissaB Nov 2017 #33

Yes not fooled Nov 2017 #105

Feel free to flesh out my list if you can -- RandomAccess Nov 2017 #115

Journalists? Sanity Claws Nov 2017 #23

I don't think it's only them. MelissaB Nov 2017 #24

BreitFart, FreeperRepublic lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #29

Add MSM as well. MelissaB Nov 2017 #34

They are ridiciulously cautious with their language most of the time. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #36

Yes. MelissaB Nov 2017 #39

They are all mostly P&L outfits, so they do what is profitable sometimes IMO throwing caution RKP5637 Nov 2017 #42

Yes, I forgot about the lunatic fringe Sanity Claws Nov 2017 #41

Steve Schmidt was on MSNBC with Stephanie Ruhl and he said something similar: PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #27

I know Steve Schmidt is a republican, etc., but he always seems like a RKP5637 Nov 2017 #35

I follow a good number of Republicans on Twitter. Most of them were "never Trumpers". They know... MelissaB Nov 2017 #38

Yep, I agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #40

I don't believe it. tomp Nov 2017 #117

The didn't vote for Trump and do want him removed from office. MelissaB Nov 2017 #124

Schmidt is a pretty good guy for a Republican NewJeffCT Nov 2017 #77

Add Evan McMullin, the conservative who left the R's to run as an Independent, pnwmom Nov 2017 #102

Thank you for adding this! MelissaB Nov 2017 #43

You're very welcome! I searched for the entire segment but I can't find it, damnit. PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #53

Possibly. But it is also possible that happens like this: StevieM Nov 2017 #73

From the article: PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #78

Wow. Good clip. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #123

Wow. I am hoping all of this is true. Mrs. Overall Nov 2017 #28

We know it's true. I'm hoping severe consequences befall the RePutin Party. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #30

If this takes years (or decades like Verona) I'm concerned American's will lose interest. jalan48 Nov 2017 #46

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Venona Nasruddin Nov 2017 #65

Don't confuse communism with Putin and his organized crime oligarchy. yardwork Nov 2017 #120

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and this is why Clinton/Kaine should be delisen Nov 2017 #54

Kick and recommend. Brilliant find. bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #55

I've never even heard of Venona before this moment. I'm pretty sure most people don't know Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #59

Fascinating info... thanks very much for posting this! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #61

K&R... spanone Nov 2017 #62

How do we have patience when our democracy rainin Nov 2017 #63

Russia through its stooges that they cultivated have intertwinned themselves in our Historic NY Nov 2017 #66

The analogy to VENONA is kind of dumb. progressoid Nov 2017 #69

Care to explain? MelissaB Nov 2017 #72

Sure, progressoid Nov 2017 #103

OK. I get what you are saying. MelissaB Nov 2017 #110

I have never heard of it Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #76

But you have heard of Ethel Rosenberg, right? MelissaB Nov 2017 #86

yes Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #93

In the meantime... lame54 Nov 2017 #79

It is time to start using the words: Stonepounder Nov 2017 #81

I updated the OP to make it easy to find info about Venona. Most of us have at least heard of Ethel MelissaB Nov 2017 #87

Mueller needs to work his way up to 45 as quickly as possible, taking Pence, Ryan, McConnell also. LonePirate Nov 2017 #91

There may even be Dems and Dem friendly journalists implicated here. SpankMe Nov 2017 #106

More than likely every party and aspect of Government has a Russian infiltration n/t FreeState Nov 2017 #116

"He will die in jail." - John Schindler Tactical Peek Nov 2017 #125

Trump needs to be out before people are tried. Because if McCamy Taylor Nov 2017 #129

"Public will be shocked" - Well, 70% will be shocked. Beartracks Nov 2017 #130

I was just thinking today that some of that 30% might be convinced if intelligence phylny Nov 2017 #131

You are correct Orrex Nov 2017 #140

Um we don't have time for a 37 yr long investigation ecstatic Nov 2017 #132

I think he was comparing scope, not timeline. MelissaB Nov 2017 #134

I hope Mr. Mueller has protection Loubee Nov 2017 #135

Incidentally, he was also one of the very first people Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #136