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Tom Rinaldo

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Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:34 PM Nov 2017

I thought maybe I could get most everyone here upset with me [View all]

I've laid the groundwork for that result carefully over the last year or so - maybe longer than that. I harbor strong partisan opinions but I just don't do polarization that well - which means I'm rarely a good loyalist for any side during conflicts. I too often stray off the reservation when it comes time to recite talking points

Case in point. I genuinely like both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. I think both of them have devoted their lives sincerely in service to their nation. I think they both have good ideals. I think they both have sound political instincts - that are not always right in every instance. They appeal to similar constituencies but not identical constituencies. But then again, that is always true. No two politicians, even those with similar views, ever appeal to the exact same groups of people. Still, in the big picture, it is clear as glass (at least to me) whose overall interests among Americans each of them is internally sworn to protect.

I had strained relations with some Sanders supporters last year (who ended up becoming Bernie or Busters) because I held positive feelings toward Hillary Clinton. I had strained relations with many Clinton supporters because (among other things) I thought Sanders was correct to make an issue over how some leading Democrats raise money, and how cozy they appeared to be with Wall Street type interests.

I never thought Hillary was corrupted by money, not twenty years ago, not ten years ago, not now. It takes millions upon millions upon millions to play politics in the big leagues. She found a way to harness some of that. And short of having a massive energized active grass roots movement constantly at your back, it takes having a lot of well placed connections to get the gears in motion to grind out scraps of social progress.

Hillary took one road to becoming influential, Bernie took another. But if one thing in life remains constant, it's that times keep changing. So I'm just starting to take note of this thing called the Paradise Papers. Seems to be a massive behind the scenes leak of thousands of documents that reveal how many of the most well connected people in the world accumulate and move money around the globe, often (but not always) in pursuit of narrow self interests at the expense of most everyone else. And I'm looking at the current social and political climate here in America, and I'm thinking - this is going to be big.

So let me be clear about one thing to start with. My world would be infinitely brighter if Hillary Clinton were President today. I have no need for, and there's no point to, bashing Hillary Clinton over matters of wealth and its accumulation. When I do look at the world by dividing it into sides, I know she is a strong defender of mine.

But I still have to say, Bernie was on to something. I strongly suspect that the Paradise Papers will reveal in gory details how the world is rigged against most people. - and the toxic role that capital concentrated in a tiny percentage of hands plays in depriving most of us of even a modicum of economic security in this world. And those revelations are going to make waves. Big ones.

I predict that if the Democratic Party fails to find a way of weaning itself from the teets of well heeled donors for political sustenance - it will continue to be viewed with suspicion, if not actual hostility, by an increasing plurality of Americans. And that will be very bad for all of us, not just for democrats

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Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #1
Agreed. Regardless of whether one thinks it's a good or bad idea for him to run for President again Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #4
Why do you think that he refuses? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #39
I guess the removed post asked why Bernie hasn't released his tax returns. yardwork Nov 2017 #51
I am fairly certain of it.. disillusioned73 Nov 2017 #68
Actually, I think that it's weird that he refuses to release his tax returns. yardwork Nov 2017 #70
Well.. disillusioned73 Nov 2017 #71
If it's income tax returns being spoken about, many trusted that he'd do so in the last campaign.... George II Nov 2017 #86
Right. He couldn't make an issue of DT's unwillingness since he wasn't doing it either. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #11
This is a good post RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #2
Ditto iluvtennis Nov 2017 #23
The dems are partly responsible for the fact that the GOP has their boot on our neck. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #73
excellent piece MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #3
The first step is always reaching a consensus about the need to do so. Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #5
And in the meantime, how do we replace the union dollars that sustained us in the past? ehrnst Nov 2017 #40
Just some thoughts Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #42
So why aren't these organizations a source of $$ for the DNC now? ehrnst Nov 2017 #44
Well, I'm a straight white male working in the Democratic Party Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #46
I believe the number of people identifying with a party has fallen ehrnst Nov 2017 #48
For the record - you have changed the conversation from what I wrote about in the OP Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #50
Not likely to happen, but marylandblue Nov 2017 #6
When you say dark money ehrnst Nov 2017 #45
Also, in addition to what marylandblue wrote... Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #7
It's not always easy to tell what is grassroots and what is propaganda anymore. ehrnst Nov 2017 #41
Great narrative. Thanks. n/t SpankMe Nov 2017 #8
The share of Millennials who identify as independent is up eight points since 2008. progressoid Nov 2017 #9
Independents in primaries MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #24
I chair our local Democratic Committee, and that is my experience also Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #25
Same here. progressoid Nov 2017 #28
I don't think that's unusual historically... llmart Nov 2017 #64
The movement away from Party identification toward Independent status perhaps... Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #77
I know several Independents. All they want to do is vote when it is time. They don't want to work coolsandy Nov 2017 #80
Don't they need progress in the future? treestar Nov 2017 #60
A well thought out post. Thank you. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #10
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #12
I guess that's partial vindication for the subject line anyway Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #15
Sanders was good as a diagnostician grantcart Nov 2017 #13
I love true public service from the ranks of the well connected Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #16
Actually it used to be that clever and earnest people strove to wealth so they could give their time grantcart Nov 2017 #38
There is never a shortage of ways in which those with wealth can use it for social good. Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #43
Your suggestion to eliminate contributions from rich contributors because enforcing regulations is grantcart Nov 2017 #53
Here is what I actually wrote Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #54
Bad analogy.. whathehell Nov 2017 #63
"turn up the heat in the hotel light bulbs"? Really. How did they do that? George II Nov 2017 #84
You would have to ask The Chicago Tribune.. whathehell Nov 2017 #89
I agree. When someone outside our party joet67 Nov 2017 #14
money is power Hamlette Nov 2017 #17
The only thing I will say... Adrahil Nov 2017 #18
Our brand name is the forest Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #19
"I thought maybe I could get most everyone here upset with me" B2G Nov 2017 #20
LOL Clearly this wasn't my most productive exercise in my regard Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #22
great post bluestarone Nov 2017 #21
I enjoyed reading this but don't think your last paragraph.... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #26
True Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #31
Again, proven appearances. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #35
Marta & I.... Omaha Steve Nov 2017 #27
World's 8 richest men are worth as much as 3.6 billion people. jalan48 Nov 2017 #29
Maybe the answer is NOT to wean the policital parties off big money. Instead... Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #30
Under centrism perhaps, as compared to hard right wing policies Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #32
Money corrupts hueymahl Nov 2017 #33
Wash, rinse, repeat, wash, rinse, repeat. Yup -- the Dems' policies bail the country out and then Ukapau Nov 2017 #37
That is at least an idea treestar Nov 2017 #62
This is a good post. Of course, I'm the quintessential idealist. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #34
We have to get rid of Citizens United first. LisaM Nov 2017 #36
Unilateral disarmament is not a winning strategy Progressive dog Nov 2017 #47
Well we simply disagree then Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #49
If the "weaning" is unilateral Progressive dog Nov 2017 #88
The fix is to shorten the political season to just the election year. Persondem Nov 2017 #52
I wholeheartedly agree with you in principle blue-wave Nov 2017 #55
Thank you and couldn't agree more Boomer Nov 2017 #56
I don't think it's news, or new, that money controls things in a country. Any country. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #57
Had the Dems not sat back while they saw unions dying & jobs being offshored whathehell Nov 2017 #58
How come the Republican party can do it? treestar Nov 2017 #59
Well Said! jimlup Nov 2017 #61
Bernie and Trump talked about similar things, which is why I kept saying Trump would win adigal Nov 2017 #65
Yes but this cuts to the core of everything we buy bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #66
You wrote as though Trusts never form to distort pure market forces Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #74
Once again, this clip sums it up BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #67
K&R.. great post disillusioned73 Nov 2017 #69
Just heard Van Jones zentrum Nov 2017 #72
Then Bernie should start in his own state of Vermont frazzled Nov 2017 #75
I don't believe in sacred cows when it comes to politics Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #76
I thought the issue was the Paradise Papers and the hiding of wealth frazzled Nov 2017 #78
It transcends individual political leaders and whatever shortcomings they might have. Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #79
I think you did frazzled Nov 2017 #81
Readers, like everything else, vary Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #82
For what its worth, to me the OP's purpose was not to deify Sanders. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #87
With the Koch brothers and other deep pocketed contributors pouring hundreds of millions... George II Nov 2017 #83
Read through the replies, it has already been subject to a fair amount of discussion. n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #85
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