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shanny

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22. stop stigmatizing "crazy people"

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:45 AM

Nov 2017

I had a brother who most would classify as a "crazy person" and he wouldn't hurt a butterfly. otoh there are plenty of not-crazy people who apparently think it's OK to put up their fists or pick up a gun because they can't deal with their lives and need to take it out on somebody else. which makes it easy to call them "crazy" because that is crazy, right?

it is also a dodge since apparently the only way to know if someone is sufficiently crazy to be denied access to WMDs is...past behavior. oopsie, too late! shoulda seen that coming! sorry for the inconvenience!

SMH

clearly what we are doing and not doing is not working...how 'bout some science-based, evidence-based, shit even common-sense based proposals/solutions instead of BS about crazy people and mental health issues?

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I'm back for more abuse from the gun nuts [View all] SHRED Nov 2017 OP

Who are the gun nuts? pintobean Nov 2017 #1

Anyone that disagrees with him. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #4

If the shoe fits... SHRED Nov 2017 #12

I bet you and I agree on many things hack89 Nov 2017 #16

30 kids dead in CT...60 dead in Las Vegas....60 or so dead in Orlando, 26 dead in Texas shooting... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #53

Many here say confiscation is reasonable hack89 Nov 2017 #54

Do you think confiscation of the guns of some people or organizations is never ever reasonable? Ukapau Nov 2017 #69

No hack89 Nov 2017 #75

How about disarming military-grade weapons from civilians? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #80

No. I like my rifles hack89 Nov 2017 #81

Your fondness for them doesn't ultimately mean anything Orrex Nov 2017 #86

Sure. A law could be passed and I could loose them hack89 Nov 2017 #93

I appreciate that answer. Orrex Nov 2017 #99

Interesting. Straw Man Nov 2017 #127

Look at it from the other side Orrex Nov 2017 #128

Eh? Straw Man Nov 2017 #131

Really? REALLY? Orrex Nov 2017 #137

Yes, really. Straw Man Nov 2017 #139

Step One: correctly identify the NRA as a terrorist group Orrex Nov 2017 #143

Your agenda is doomed from the outset. Straw Man Nov 2017 #178

Spare me the sermons Orrex Nov 2017 #180

Sermons? Straw Man Nov 2017 #182

Nothing is as charming as a self-righteous gun advocate Orrex Nov 2017 #183

You're missing several pertinent facts. Straw Man Nov 2017 #187

Wheres that inventory I asked for? What are you afraid of? Marengo Nov 2017 #211

And you sound happy about it. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #113

ok. nt hack89 Nov 2017 #121

I said you could keep a rifle. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #90

No. I mean AR-15s. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #94

Why do you need that gun? I'm serious. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #96

Competitive target shooting hack89 Nov 2017 #98

Competitive target shooting, as in you shoot at each other? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #102

Glad to see you have maintained your sense of humor. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #118

So the competition is who can mow down the most people/targets? n/t forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #144

No. hack89 Nov 2017 #150

So when do you need those types of guns off the firing range? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #153

Off the range they are locked up in a safe. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #158

So you may as well not even own them. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #162

No need. hack89 Nov 2017 #164

Could you possibly compete with guns forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #105

Not and feel macho at the same time... HopeAgain Nov 2017 #116

I do envision that every "competetive target practice" participant forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #148

I used to do target shooting as a kid HopeAgain Nov 2017 #156

Don't see the need hack89 Nov 2017 #120

It only takes one... HopeAgain Nov 2017 #125

Ok nt hack89 Nov 2017 #126

Seems like he's just fine with the random mass slaughter of innocents. It's ok with him. StrictlyRockers Nov 2017 #155

Yep. Post number 126 shows exactly how much they care, doesn't it? kcr Nov 2017 #186

But the toys you compete with nonviolently forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #147

Got to break in right here SonofDonald Nov 2017 #185

I called them "toys" when they were being spoken of forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #197

In a self defense situation Id rather have 30 rounds before reloading than 6 Marengo Nov 2017 #190

insecurity Skittles Nov 2017 #198

Civilians dont own military grade weapons ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #83

So, question, Gun People... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #92

Not sure if need is the issue. But if you like M1s, their capacity is eight. jmg257 Nov 2017 #129

Again, I ask... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #152

Not sure - maybe you need more then 1 round per enemy? Figure a double-tap per, at least.. jmg257 Nov 2017 #154

So...the phrase "double tap" comes from a zombie movie. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #167

No, it doesn't. And Mozambique drill is three rounds per, so just call it 18... jmg257 Nov 2017 #168

So, you personally need the ability to kill 20 people without reloading. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #169

Personally? No. jmg257 Nov 2017 #172

And specifically, ClarendonDem... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #95

:) C Moon Nov 2017 #109

You've got eight friends you want to kill? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #110

Me? No. I was smiling because I liked the way you handled that situation. C Moon Nov 2017 #117

Because 6 is too few in my mind for self-defense purposes ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #138

So you're planning for a mob home invasion forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #145

You obviously dont keep up with the news ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #170

What people? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #171

So I only get guns if I use them? ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #175

Did any of them defend their home with an AR-15? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #177

Assault weapons ban is a different animal ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #179

Thank you. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #181

Well ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #212

Well, in the face of logic like that... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #213

Never let facts ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #216

Okay, give me some facts. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #217

I gave you a fact. Straw Man Nov 2017 #218

The problem is that we don't know they're violent or even felons until AFTER they have a gun. George II Nov 2017 #88

I didn't really answer your question about confiscation...I have mixed feelings. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #123

I think we start with automatic weapons and high capacity magazines...also no Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #115

LOL. "Act now or you won't have choice" aikoaiko Nov 2017 #142

Columbine isn't even in the Top 10 anymore Skittles Nov 2017 #196

People who think the avg Joe should own WMD firearms uponit7771 Nov 2017 #5

I have no interest in labeling anyone...but I will say this...I have a right to live my life without Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #32

amen I would go even farther.. if I could... pangaia Nov 2017 #55

Intentionally misrepresented. Merlot Nov 2017 #64

A drummer eh? That explains it. panader0 Nov 2017 #74

How Do You Get A Guitar Player To Stop Playing A Lead? ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #132

The US didn't have a standing army back then IronLionZion Nov 2017 #101

eggsactly pangaia Nov 2017 #159

I agree with you...but given the courts, there is little we can do...may be if this sort of shit Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #119

I don't know a viable answer either. pangaia Nov 2017 #160

The 2 Amendment ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #176

Good point...even Scalia agreed. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #189

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #56

+1000 Cattledog Nov 2017 #77

Gun nuts are those who claim regulation is prohibited by a law that states regulation is necessary. Towlie Nov 2017 #106

They think gun control means hitting their target IronLionZion Nov 2017 #130

All you have to do is get the public behind you hack89 Nov 2017 #2

That's about what I was saying up-thread. pintobean Nov 2017 #7

Check this out SHRED Nov 2017 #8

There has always been strong support for UBCs hack89 Nov 2017 #13

In this day and age SHRED Nov 2017 #24

My state has UBCs hack89 Nov 2017 #27

The public is behind this...poll after poll has show this...it is not yet a hot button voting issue, Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #35

Not really hack89 Nov 2017 #38

Do you respect Pew Research ?. Most do lunasun Nov 2017 #61

Those numbers oscillate hack89 Nov 2017 #65

Yeah, that's the issue. Despsite support for regulation, people do not vote that way. NT Adrahil Nov 2017 #57

Many people thing the only good ideas are the popular ideas LanternWaste Nov 2017 #51

Trump is president. He didn't get the most votes. hunter Nov 2017 #58

Polls would disagree with you hack89 Nov 2017 #62

Okay. Right there. world wide wally Nov 2017 #66

How that support is distributed is important hack89 Nov 2017 #67

The word for that is gerrymandering world wide wally Nov 2017 #68

No hack89 Nov 2017 #72

In my community guns are associated with gangs and trigger happy cops. hunter Nov 2017 #161

Public totally agrees with no private ownership of assault weapons, not selling to terrorists lark Nov 2017 #84

Don't sell WMD firearms to crazy people, I think they can agree with that uponit7771 Nov 2017 #3

stop stigmatizing "crazy people" shanny Nov 2017 #22

People with mental illness including depression should not have guns. That being said, blaming Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #26

"people with mental illness" are no more violent than the general population. eom shanny Nov 2017 #166

How about no WMDs to anybody? lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #37

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #46

Who is to say who is crazy? IronLionZion Nov 2017 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author Not Ruth Nov 2017 #6

Yes, you've suggested it before, and it's still a terrible idea Orrex Nov 2017 #10

suicide is illegal? mopinko Nov 2017 #21

Gun regulations works. Iliyah Nov 2017 #9

K&R nt NCTraveler Nov 2017 #11

Restricted possession rights for certain offenses underpants Nov 2017 #14

by request to a judge from family members. mopinko Nov 2017 #18

I will stand with you genxlib Nov 2017 #15

EVENTUALLY HAB911 Nov 2017 #17

I've seen so many excuses SHRED Nov 2017 #20

I love performance art! Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #19

I agree 100% and these folks better opt for some common sense rules now because people want gun Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #23

Not really hack89 Nov 2017 #25

NO mikeysnot Nov 2017 #29

I have no doubt you can show the polls hack89 Nov 2017 #31

Polls? Fuck polls. mikeysnot Nov 2017 #215

This! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #60

Wrong and wrong. I have seen the polls...now I own a gun...in fact some years ago a gun Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #39

Then post them. hack89 Nov 2017 #41

I still want to know... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #107

ok. nt hack89 Nov 2017 #122

So, you've no answer. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #149

No. Just tired of you. hack89 Nov 2017 #151

You've spent a lot of time defending in this thread so far. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #157

That's nice hack89 Nov 2017 #163

I have learned that we will never be safe from people with guns. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #165

You have my sympathy hack89 Nov 2017 #173

You enjoy that. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #214

Give it time...the more shootings...the more people will be OK with 'draconian' measures. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #108

We should accept nothing short of new amendments that repeal the 2A, ban and confiscate all guns. LonePirate Nov 2017 #28

Good luck liquid diamond Nov 2017 #30

Don't you think solutions grounded in reality might work better? Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #33

Do you want solutions that will work or do you want to continue imposing unhelpful solutions? LonePirate Nov 2017 #43

I would prefer solutions that enjoy wide public support hack89 Nov 2017 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Nov 2017 #89

Isn't gun confiscation sarisataka Nov 2017 #34

You do realize that would start civil unrest Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #36

We are already living in a time of civil unrest and civil war with 1+ mass shootings every day. LonePirate Nov 2017 #45

Alex Jones would be proud of you Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #82

You prefer people ignoring and playing down the epidemic of gun violence in this country? LonePirate Nov 2017 #100

I own a gun...rifle...my grandpa used to hunt...works great. It saved my life years ago...I lived Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #42

Why dont you hand it over now? Marengo Nov 2017 #50

It has sentimental value...but the firing pin is removed...I have kids and don't want them shooting Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #52

Have you considered it may be stolen by someone who knows how to reactivate it? Why dont... Marengo Nov 2017 #73

How would we fight Trump if... Lachrymologist Nov 2017 #40

If you think civilian type guns would stop a governmen with drones...I have to laugh... you couldn't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #44

But how would you answer the question? Lachrymologist Nov 2017 #97

Most gun owners are responsible gun owners that observe the proper democratisphere Nov 2017 #47

The NRA long ago stopped being a responsible gun owners organization sellitman Nov 2017 #49

NO GUNS FOR SPOUSAL ABUSERS!!!!! moda253 Nov 2017 #59

It's already the law. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #78

let them have all the guns they want azureblue Nov 2017 #63

Ammo is covered under arms...as in the people had to supply their own ammo, accoutrements too. jmg257 Nov 2017 #70

Trump is out of his fucking mind BootinUp Nov 2017 #71

I would go farther than that. Scruffy1 Nov 2017 #76

I'm with you SHRED. lark Nov 2017 #79

2 out of 3 ain't bad sarisataka Nov 2017 #85

I think we should hit them on the mental health issue Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #87

K&R...👍🏼 spanone Nov 2017 #91

Repeal the 2nd and 3rd amendments aeromanKC Nov 2017 #103

Whats the issue with the 3rd? Marengo Nov 2017 #140

Antiquated aeromanKC Nov 2017 #146

I think anything which restricts the states right and ability to infiltrate a citizens home,... Marengo Nov 2017 #174

Why 7? ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #203

Universal Background Check, GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #104

It's complex bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #111

Gotta find some common ground first. wildeyed Nov 2017 #112

They are unhinged. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #114

Here's an idea--how about all gun purchases require liability insurance, like a car librechik Nov 2017 #124

Let em abuse you. Most here get it. I agree totally with your recommendations. Hoyt Nov 2017 #133

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2017 #134

The only users of anything more than six shots. Blue_true Nov 2017 #136

Not much in your suggestions to stop or reduce massacres. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #141

Good luck with that, better get out there and get started SonofDonald Nov 2017 #184

So in this whole huge thread, there are only three gun humpers, the same three that always Squinch Nov 2017 #188

The problems is the OP went fishing SonofDonald Nov 2017 #192

it is AMAZING what offends gun humpers and what does not Skittles Nov 2017 #200

I have learned it is better MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #191

I think you are correct SHRED Nov 2017 #193

FUCK THAT SHYTE Skittles Nov 2017 #199

Very well reasoned argument ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #201

..... Skittles Nov 2017 #205

Keep up the good work ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #206

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Skittles Nov 2017 #208

LOL SHRED Nov 2017 #202

Ha! And the gun nuts are out in force Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #194

They love their guns SHRED Nov 2017 #204

FUCKING COWARDS Skittles Nov 2017 #210

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #195

I am with you ellie Nov 2017 #207

Sounds good Dem2 Nov 2017 #209