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19. It's both.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:34 AM

Jul 2012

And they seem to go hand in hand.

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I know this won't be popular, but; it is the MENTAL ILLNESS. [View all] Atman Jul 2012 OP

I completely agree. The same goes for those wanting to abridge the 1st amendment RadiationTherapy Jul 2012 #1

A lot of people like to conflate mental illness and "Republicanism" or "Tea Party thinking" Brickbat Jul 2012 #2

I'm not trying to connect "Tea Party' with mental illness. Not at all. Atman Jul 2012 #5

No, I know. I was agreeing with you. Brickbat Jul 2012 #6

I got that...just clarifying. Some didn't seem to get my post. Atman Jul 2012 #13

Agreed there Posteritatis Jul 2012 #88

I wish the unrec feature was still available frazzled Jul 2012 #3

Not every murderer has a mental illness. Some are just evil and self-centered. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #4

Anyone who is sufficiently evil and self-centered to commit murder has at least a personality... slackmaster Jul 2012 #22

Is there any human alive that is perfect? All of us have something that might sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #30

Personality disorders have very specific criteria for official diagnosis slackmaster Jul 2012 #34

You're correct JonLP24 Jul 2012 #40

I believe there is already enough information about this incident to say that it was well planned slackmaster Jul 2012 #44

I was under the impression JonLP24 Jul 2012 #64

But a lot of simply self-centered assholes commit murder and other violence. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #43

In my opinion anyone who murders people in cold blood is mentally ill slackmaster Jul 2012 #45

Then they should all be just put in a mental health facility? And use sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #51

Mentally ill does not mean the same thing as mentally incompetent slackmaster Jul 2012 #70

What about war zones? It may not be cold blood, but close. People are targets, it's all strategy. freshwest Jul 2012 #90

Apples to oranges slackmaster Jul 2012 #92

Yet the cold blooded murderer in our midst may believe the same thing, and is called sick? freshwest Jul 2012 #96

His belief in absence of directives shows his instability. skip fox Jul 2012 #99

There's a big gap between "imperfect" and "mass murderer." nt TheWraith Jul 2012 #82

Can you name a single mass shooter who did not have mental illness? skip fox Jul 2012 #81

I said nothing about 'mass shooter', I said not every murderer was mentally ill. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #98

Can I be the first to blame violent video games and movies? n/t Baclava Jul 2012 #7

You're aren't the first JonLP24 Jul 2012 #23

that was sarcasm Baclava Jul 2012 #28

I blame the sarcasm... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #53

gunman was a wanna be Nazi... nebenaube Jul 2012 #8

Not so, he was actually a cylon from the galaxy Platonia. Tejas Jul 2012 #83

Disagree. The guy loved those GUNS and they did 30x or more damage than knives could flamingdem Jul 2012 #9

By your logic prison should be the safest place in the world. But it isn't, now is it? Edweird Jul 2012 #26

Compare the countries that are saturated with guns like the USA with those that aren't Bandit Jul 2012 #41

Like Mexico which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world? Edweird Jul 2012 #47

Please, you can't compare an inmate knifing with killing 12 innocents and wounding 50! nt flamingdem Jul 2012 #55

You can't conflate guns with murder. If it was the guns and not the people, Edweird Jul 2012 #66

Last year a guy in China killed 7 people in a span of minutes with a knife. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #75

The problem with your 'reasoning' is that prisons concentrates the mis-fits, criminials, mental RC Jul 2012 #68

There's no problem with my reasoning. Either it's 'the guns' or it's 'the people'. Edweird Jul 2012 #102

Not the people with guns? Guns are a proven part of the problem. RC Jul 2012 #104

Sure, it's harder without a gun - which PROVES my point. Edweird Jul 2012 #106

So explain why, as gun ownership in America has skyrocketed hack89 Jul 2012 #48

Which brings us back to our CULTURE. Atman Jul 2012 #50

+1 flamingdem Jul 2012 #56

Agreed. And it will never change. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #101

Since those countries may have wildly different laws 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #94

He killed 12 people 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #93

I am 100% in agreement. pnwest Jul 2012 #10

I'll withold judgement until I find out if... ehrnst Jul 2012 #11

I don't argue that there is a problem with our system of regulation. Atman Jul 2012 #15

Any murder has a mental illness RegieRocker Jul 2012 #12

A lot of help is needed get the red out Jul 2012 #14

+100 Atman Jul 2012 #17

no arguement here. w8liftinglady Jul 2012 #16

It may or may not be popular JonLP24 Jul 2012 #18

It's both. onehandle Jul 2012 #19

I don't agree, which I think I made clear in my op. Atman Jul 2012 #25

Or more likely JonLP24 Jul 2012 #27

Your post reminded me of an incident in Tampa .... spin Jul 2012 #20

We need to reopen the looney bins, and put a few million people in them. reformist2 Jul 2012 #21

Ah, yes Sam1 Jul 2012 #38

the likelihood that the shooter would have sought and gotten mental health treatment is slim. unblock Jul 2012 #24

I don't think we're in much disagreement. Atman Jul 2012 #33

my point is that you're wrong about the level of violent fantasy. unblock Jul 2012 #61

Mental & Behavioral Health PARITY in the PPACA - N-O-W! patrice Jul 2012 #29

Society recognizes a general public interest is served in licensing the coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #31

There aren't licensing requirements for firearms? Atman Jul 2012 #37

Just to be clear, I am in full agreement with your larger point in your OP and its title. And coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #58

Then good gun background checks would have shown that and maybe he wouldn't have had guns LynneSin Jul 2012 #32

What is a "good" gun background check? Atman Jul 2012 #39

What is a good driver's ed test? What is a good SAT test? LynneSin Jul 2012 #49

I think I pointed out that that is the case... Atman Jul 2012 #57

Well then I'm arguing with the wrong person - my bad LynneSin Jul 2012 #60

States are not reporting mental health cases to the Criminal Background Check System hack89 Jul 2012 #42

There are some pretty serious privacy restrictions. Atman Jul 2012 #52

Doesn't sound like he had any previous diagnoses of mental illness 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #95

Growing up poor, the medical care everyone did without: dental, optical, MENTAL HEALTH. ACA didn't Romulox Jul 2012 #35

Gun obsession is a mental illness. LonePirate Jul 2012 #36

What other political stances that you dislike are in fact medical problems? (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #80

Maybe not in our lifetime, but I am sure that one day they will tie every single criminal behavior Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #46

As long as you're bringing health care into this Loudly Jul 2012 #54

Very, very interesting point. Atman Jul 2012 #59

It's both. As a mental health professional I have some perspective. nolabear Jul 2012 #62

You have to suppose that other cultures have the same incidence of mental illness that we do. mnhtnbb Jul 2012 #67

Not only do they want it not treated, they feed the illness n2doc Jul 2012 #63

I really don't understand this argument. Marr Jul 2012 #65

People like having something to direct their backlash urges at Posteritatis Jul 2012 #85

Bravo n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #69

So, the mentally ill should not be allowed access to guns. grahamhgreen Jul 2012 #71

yeah, let's make Psychoanalysis of eveyone mandatory Progressive dog Jul 2012 #72

"it is the mental illness, which the GOP doesn't want treated. No health care for the poor." Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #73

SINGLE PAYER with MENTAL HEALTH COVERAGE. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #74

Yes and It's The GUNS TOO otohara Jul 2012 #76

Thank you wryter2000 Jul 2012 #84

yes most sane people believe both sould be dealt with Doctor_J Jul 2012 #103

Don't completely agree but thank you. Tejas Jul 2012 #77

I've always had problems with mental health lilithsrevenge12 Jul 2012 #78

One in Five Americans are mentally ill. riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #79

Good point about mental illness, failure to treat it and our dysfunctional society generally. BlueMTexpat Jul 2012 #86

It is the Mental Illness + guns cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #87

Unrec...it's both...a mentally unstable person who had access to guns... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #89

IMO, you can slow down the process, but there is very little one can do to stop a no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #91

What gets me is how he was dressed when he entered the theater. Atman Jul 2012 #105

Lots of "fucking psychos" are actually neuroscience/mental health "professionals" bobthedrummer Jul 2012 #97

Mental Illness types bongbong Jul 2012 #100