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LeftInTX

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114. I know...

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:41 PM

Nov 2017

The NRA and Republicans are touting this "Good guy with a gun".

Meanwhile, mass shootings will be promoted as events with a "good guy"

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Running Out Of Ammo Stopped The Carnage. Not A Good Guy With A Gun. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 OP

That simple malaise Nov 2017 #1

Yes, that needs to be our mantra HopeAgain Nov 2017 #29

lol MurderMittenLiberal Nov 2017 #103

This article seems to suggest ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #2

That was my first thought Yupster Nov 2017 #3

Saved one. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #9

He Had More Guns in His Car Stallion Nov 2017 #4

450 rounds is a lot of ammo to carry. Neighbor Probably Did Not Stop This Guy. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 #6

Late? He beat the police dumbcat Nov 2017 #17

Both missed the main event FreeState Nov 2017 #46

The person who could have been #29 but wasn't... Baconator Nov 2017 #127

he gets a set of steak knives maxsolomon Nov 2017 #69

But the shooter dropped his rifle--then fled to his car. .... riversedge Nov 2017 #33

Call me when a 'good guy with gun' actually stops a mass murder louis-t Nov 2017 #80

Catch -22 sarisataka Nov 2017 #89

I know... LeftInTX Nov 2017 #114

A little empathy helps here. There'd be no reason for that neighbor to assume Bucky Nov 2017 #133

Yep! Didn't stop the murders in the church. LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #146

LOL linuxman Nov 2017 #149

Police said that his car was loaded with other guns and ammo. Blue_true Nov 2017 #59

I see 2 possibilities sammythecat Nov 2017 #95

Yeah, I see your point. Blue_true Nov 2017 #100

If they're saying he saved lives in the church sammythecat Nov 2017 #107

The WaPo ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #117

I think that he killed exboyfil Nov 2017 #61

Apparently he had guns in his truck that he didn't carry into the church. George II Nov 2017 #68

Other weapons and ammo in his truck. N/r Hangingon Nov 2017 #115

Shot himself with a handgun. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #124

I think you are sarisataka Nov 2017 #5

Even Though The Neighbor Responded Was Helpful, It Did Not Really Stop It. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 #8

Neighbor is lucky that he's not dead or in a hospital... LakeVermilion Nov 2017 #13

Or that a bystander is not dead or in the hospital. deurbano Nov 2017 #28

Yep - good thing he brought enough gun to the gunfight. nt jmg257 Nov 2017 #64

I was referring to the claim sarisataka Nov 2017 #30

He died in a car that was loaded with guns and ammo. Blue_true Nov 2017 #65

Postulating informal theory is not assumption, whether they say that on TV or not. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #31

Making a positive statement sarisataka Nov 2017 #36

Fact of the matter, the guy with the shotgun would have been outmatched by an AR15 ffr Nov 2017 #7

What guy with the shotgun? dumbcat Nov 2017 #19

Early reports I heard were that the gunman was persued by someone with a shotgun ffr Nov 2017 #125

He had a rifle, not a shotgun. His rounds were probably MORE powerful, if it was a deer rifle. 7962 Nov 2017 #140

There ya go - THAT is why people buy ARs. jmg257 Nov 2017 #22

I Could Never Live In A Deranged Community Like That. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 #11

That community is not deranged Alea Nov 2017 #47

You already do. maxsolomon Nov 2017 #71

Touche. That Community Is A Community Of Idiots. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 #77

Wow, judge much? cwydro Nov 2017 #139

Pistol in the glove compartment? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #12

That would be speculative and illegal (I know....) as his concealed carry permit was denied by TX Not Ruth Nov 2017 #15

I know I'm speculating... forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #20

I think you need to read that again dumbcat Nov 2017 #21

He had 4 guns True Blue American Nov 2017 #52

"Look for the weird. Look for twitches. Look for nervousness." struggle4progress Nov 2017 #14

Did the good guy shoot him during the spree or while he was fleeing? Orrex Nov 2017 #23

Probably will find out in a few weeks after an autopsy Not Ruth Nov 2017 #24

Until then, we should reject claims that he stopped the shooter Orrex Nov 2017 #35

See the link to the autopsy below. B2G Nov 2017 #39

He pursued the shooter away from the scene, no? Orrex Nov 2017 #43

To stop him. B2G Nov 2017 #45

So they left voluntarily the crime scene? Orrex Nov 2017 #57

No, vigilante justice would have been B2G Nov 2017 #62

They elected to pursue him away from the scene. That's vigilante justice. Orrex Nov 2017 #76

That's not what Vigilante means. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #97

Maybe to stop him from doing whatever else sammythecat Nov 2017 #101

Should the neighbor sarisataka Nov 2017 #40

With what?? nt B2G Nov 2017 #41

The above poster claimed sarisataka Nov 2017 #50

OK, should be interesting. nt B2G Nov 2017 #58

That depends, no? Orrex Nov 2017 #42

You have determined sarisataka Nov 2017 #56

I don't believe that I claimed that it was unnecessary. Orrex Nov 2017 #67

Vigilante justice B2G Nov 2017 #73

Thanks for confirming! Orrex Nov 2017 #78

How did pursuing him either B2G Nov 2017 #79

Of course, he didn't simply pursue him. Orrex Nov 2017 #98

He didn't force him off the road. B2G Nov 2017 #102

To stop him. Which they did. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #86

Some break in continuity. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #82

Honestly nothing (see edit) sarisataka Nov 2017 #83

I would refer you to Texas Penal Code Chapter Nine dumbcat Nov 2017 #90

Then Texas law is fucked up Orrex Nov 2017 #109

It's allowed in Washington. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #112

The autopsy has already been done. B2G Nov 2017 #38

Out of curiosity, is it clear that he was shot by the "good guy?" Orrex Nov 2017 #48

I have seen no accounts of anyone firing back from inside the church. B2G Nov 2017 #49

I made no positive assertion about it... Orrex Nov 2017 #54

No, because he left alive. nt B2G Nov 2017 #60

What does that mean? And how do you not see a difference? Orrex Nov 2017 #88

Not trying to be an ass but that sounds like a strawman. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #94

No, because the shooter was still functional. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #91

Exactly so. Paladin Nov 2017 #16

I need to find these reports you are citing... jmg257 Nov 2017 #18

so my question is bluestarone Nov 2017 #26

Thats incredible isnt it? Talk about a hero! jmg257 Nov 2017 #34

I don't know a damned thing about all of this, but... hamsterjill Nov 2017 #25

As someone who has some experience with ballistics through various media, Morris64 Nov 2017 #143

Let's leave aside leftynyc Nov 2017 #27

Can we at least agree assault weapons should be banned? HopeAgain Nov 2017 #32

Absolutely leftynyc Nov 2017 #74

You're wrong. The VA Tech shooter used two ordinary handguns. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #37

Ban semi-auto hand guns too or, at a minimum, make them not easily concealable. Hoyt Nov 2017 #53

That ain't going to happen. Plus, concealability has little to do with massacres. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #70

The president is wrong mainstreetonce Nov 2017 #44

Yep. Kelley had already thrown his AR15 away and was essentially unarmed when he was shot. Hoyt Nov 2017 #51

So there was no gunfight, no exchange of fire, outside the church? Saw that reported numerous times. jmg257 Nov 2017 #72

Yes,he had a handgun mainstreetonce Nov 2017 #84

Thanks!!! nt jmg257 Nov 2017 #85

Good accounting by the neighbor mainstreetonce Nov 2017 #92

No,it APPEARS he was unarmed at that point and the cowboy still couldn't stop him. Hoyt Nov 2017 #96

But then there is this... jmg257 Nov 2017 #99

You can go out to the range and practice what you believe happened. I'll trust the accounts Hoyt Nov 2017 #106

You can trust anything you like. Also note the rifle was actually supposedly wrested from his hands jmg257 Nov 2017 #110

So far as I have heard, Kelley had not dropped his rifle. He seems to have lost it when hit. Hangingon Nov 2017 #120

Thanks - one article said it was wrested from his hands. He did have a handgun though. jmg257 Nov 2017 #122

Didnt hear that. thanks Hangingon Nov 2017 #136

Dude had already left the church and was trying to escape IronLionZion Nov 2017 #55

Your facts arent supported ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #63

"The gunman fled and ultimately shot himself in the head, officials said." IronLionZion Nov 2017 #66

This article makes it clear he saved lives ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #75

And this entire article is about a 95mph car chase IronLionZion Nov 2017 #81

My Dad carried an M1 Garand in Korea... 8 round clip. That's it... served him very well. Still In Wisconsin Nov 2017 #87

Insane is right. 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #113

"No need to be able to spray bullets around like a hose sprays water." Still In Wisconsin Nov 2017 #126

"Furthermore, there's no need to do that in a military situation either" EX500rider Nov 2017 #128

Yeah that's true. I should have emphasized the word "randomly." Still In Wisconsin Nov 2017 #129

Oh ffs... MurderMittenLiberal Nov 2017 #93

Did the "armed citizen" need an AR-15 with 30 round clip to stop the carnage. What does the NRA FreeStateDemocrat Nov 2017 #134

No MurderMittenLiberal Nov 2017 #152

K&R Gothmog Nov 2017 #104

According to Paul Ryan the people in that church were praying for him to run out of ammo, and not .. Snake Plissken Nov 2017 #105

High capacity magazines and bump stocks must be totally eliminated. lark Nov 2017 #108

How would a mandatory gun lock law ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #130

No, gun locks are not about wholesale slaughter, but the family version. lark Nov 2017 #151

That was what I read too Bettie Nov 2017 #111

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #116

Whether shooter could have killed more is besides point; he killed 26 - already unacceptable Justice Nov 2017 #118

He used a military weapon designed to kill as many human beings as possible workinclasszero Nov 2017 #119

He had no problem purchasing the gun ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #131

Magazines are expensive and cumbersome Calista241 Nov 2017 #121

AR mags only cost $10-$20 each NickB79 Nov 2017 #137

While your heart is in the right place, Morris64 Nov 2017 #147

Anyone who thinks they need firearms to protect themselves from the government vkkv Nov 2017 #123

But there's no way the guy who shot the shooter could have known that Bucky Nov 2017 #132

If he ran out of ammo - how did he... lame54 Nov 2017 #135

Dont get in the way of their attempts to rationalize away the guy being a hero Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #138

Sorry, but you're wrong. He exchanged fire and was shot twice. 7962 Nov 2017 #141

those multi bullet things should ONLY be available in war or ranges. next the NRA w/ let us each pansypoo53219 Nov 2017 #142

Posts like this are why folks have a hard time taking proponents of gun control seriously. Morris64 Nov 2017 #148

So, a bad guy without a working gun wasn't able to shoot people. Hm. Beartracks Nov 2017 #144

I suppose they may be able to determine if he had another stop/s and more targets planned. brewens Nov 2017 #145

"saving the day" after 26 people were murdered Skittles Nov 2017 #150

Is your objection that the shooter had stopped shooting, or the other guy had a gun? brooklynite Nov 2017 #153

Yet another attempt by pro-gunners to turn a mass murder into a 2nd Amendment triumph. Paladin Nov 2017 #154