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6. And in the last 40 years, we've done a lot about drunk driving
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

Penalties have been increased, civil liability law has been extended to dram shops to put them on the hook for visibly drunk patrons who leave their establishment, there are multiple programs to help problem drinkers, and a public information campaign consistently getting the message "don't drink and drive" out to the general population.

Have we eliminated all drunk driving? No. Have we cut down the number of drunk drivers and the accidents and fatalities? Yes. Yes we have.

You see anything in our society right now that holds gun owners accountable for careless or negligent handling or storage of their firearms? Check out the weekly statistics on firearms confiscated at airports. There are dozens every week! Are the owners fined or imprisoned for "forgetting" that their favorite shootin' arn was in their carry-on luggage? No.

Are gun shops held liable for selling guns to anyone? If they jump through a couple of hoops, which appear to be of dubious effectiveness, they're in the clear and they know it.

Do we have an effective, or even an ineffective, public program designed to help the mentally ill or people with anger management problems? Or does our society encourage violent solutions to problems through the military, popular entertainments, and deride those who seek non-violent conflict resolution? Is a "real man" encouraged to sit down with a mental health professional and work through his issues, or is he encouraged to pick up a weapon and settle his differences with others through violence? What is the consistent message to people our society churns out every day about the best way to solve problems? Does the president himself advocate for peaceful resolution, or is he more likely to tell his supporters to knock the crap out of anyone who disagrees with them, or to say that the best way for the United States to interact with other countries is to bomb the shit out of them?

Facile dismissals that don't stand up to a scintilla of scrutiny have helped maintain this bloody, violent culture.

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Well said nt Phoenix61 Nov 2017 #1
sorry but in reality gun owners 2A rights trump anybody's right to a safe life nt msongs Nov 2017 #2
What about the right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness?" Atman Nov 2017 #49
Life, liberty And the pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence. Hangingon Nov 2017 #59
Gosh, really Wally? Atman Nov 2017 #68
Well, civics would have taught that the Constitution is the law of the land. Hangingon Nov 2017 #69
Gun humpers love their weapons more than life itself. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #51
That's pretty stupid way for things to be, don't you think? HopeAgain Nov 2017 #81
k and r niyad Nov 2017 #3
And my right to stay alive and happy.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #4
And in the last 40 years, we've done a lot about drunk driving gratuitous Nov 2017 #6
Way to miss the point! Adrahil Nov 2017 #16
This! +1000! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #29
All very good points. louis-t Nov 2017 #58
Drunk driving is illegal. Owning a gun is not. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #7
False equivalence sarisataka Nov 2017 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #31
Maybe you've missed a point? King_Klonopin Nov 2017 #45
Drunk drivers are a grave danger on the road. SwissTony Nov 2017 #9
I don't think the intent really matters. Adrahil Nov 2017 #17
Excuse me. You NEED an argument for why you should restrict guns????? SwissTony Nov 2017 #26
Okay... good luck! Adrahil Nov 2017 #35
Thanks for contributing to inncocent men, women and children being slaughtered. n/t SwissTony Nov 2017 #36
I'd love to do something about it. Adrahil Nov 2017 #37
I DON'T blame you specifically. SwissTony Nov 2017 #40
And you still miss the point.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #46
How about banning/restricting guns? It worked in OZ. n/t SwissTony Nov 2017 #48
It worked in Dodge City too. world wide wally Nov 2017 #66
A bartender can be held criminally and civilly liable for serving alcohol to a drunk patron Yavin4 Nov 2017 #11
This has been asked and answered in most shooting threads. Hangingon Nov 2017 #62
Drunk Driving is illegal treestar Nov 2017 #42
False equivalence. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #61
Yes, you have a right to stay alive and happy. No, others owning guns doesn't threaten that right aikoaiko Nov 2017 #5
Tell that to the people in Vegas and Texas and... and.... SwissTony Nov 2017 #10
So you would limit or take away the rights of a whole group of people Alea Nov 2017 #15
You're worried about the rights of people who want guns. SwissTony Nov 2017 #19
Everything you just said minus the reply title Alea Nov 2017 #25
Complete and utter bullshit. SwissTony Nov 2017 #28
Complete and utter bullshit Alea Nov 2017 #30
May I ask you two questions? SwissTony Nov 2017 #33
Yes you may ask Alea Nov 2017 #44
Thank you for your forthright reply. SwissTony Nov 2017 #47
Exactly how many people have you shot in self defense? world wide wally Nov 2017 #65
You would argue with a post to defend the precious gun. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #76
I'm so sick of gun humpers basing their arguments on "rights". smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #56
Tuff shitski - It's called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs Alea Nov 2017 #57
"Rights." MarvinGardens Nov 2017 #64
Funny how the 2nd is the ONLY one they care about n2doc Nov 2017 #71
Problems w/ Due process? Like re: the terrorist watch list so many want to add to the NIC system? jmg257 Nov 2017 #72
Funny how I don't support that n2doc Nov 2017 #73
Cool - cheers! jmg257 Nov 2017 #74
Virtually no one argues for unfettered access. And most gun owners support the constitution,.... aikoaiko Nov 2017 #83
No one? The NRA and virtually all GOP'ers do exactly that. n2doc Nov 2017 #86
The NRA doesn't oppose background checks when buying new guns aikoaiko Nov 2017 #87
And that's why you're failing. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #80
I'm failing? Me personally? Actually I'm not, but thanks smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #82
oh. well, then do tell how you've "fuck[ed] guns, gun humpers, and gun industry bagmen"? aikoaiko Nov 2017 #84
You are confusing me with the OP. I did not write that and I don't know what you are talking smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #88
Oh you're right. I am confusing you with the OP. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #89
Sure, and people should have every right to own dozens of machine guns. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #13
Go try and buy any of those things mentioned and get back with us with your results n/t Alea Nov 2017 #20
I was asking about your opinion, not the fact that we have somewhat limited private militaries. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #21
I think where this thread fork is getting problematic is, all the items you listed are massively AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #34
Yes, limits are ok with me. I'm not a 2A absolutist. Alea Nov 2017 #41
Actually, a possible solution is treating semi-automatic firearms like fully-automatic firearms. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #24
I would agree to that. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #32
I have the same right to life as you Alea Nov 2017 #8
I agree with you, but sadly, society doesn't. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #12
One of the reasons other countries have been so effective at passing gun-control legislation is Aristus Nov 2017 #14
Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Where? IronLionZion Nov 2017 #18
9th amend insures that no single amend is absolute! Cryptoad Nov 2017 #22
The 2nd amendment has been used to deny and disparage other rights IronLionZion Nov 2017 #38
Yes it does but only because the NRA- GOP SCOTUS allow it rather ,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2017 #43
Sorry, but ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #75
Dead people can't report this violation of the law IronLionZion Nov 2017 #78
So is your contention ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #79
When you're dead, it's a little too late IronLionZion Nov 2017 #85
Just for clarification ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #90
I'm saying you chose the correct handle IronLionZion Nov 2017 #91
Non-answer. No points. Straw Man Nov 2017 #92
Bummer IronLionZion Nov 2017 #93
K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2017 #27
K&R Big time. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #39
You don't have the right to legislate others behavior... Baconator Nov 2017 #50
These murders work in the NRAs favor. The people that oppose doc03 Nov 2017 #52
Unfortunately the SCOTUS does not see it that way - and these are supposed to be our Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #53
I guess the government doesnt have a compelling interest in keeping us alive. Lars39 Nov 2017 #55
I do not believe the SCOTUS ruled against the previous Assault Weapons Ban. It was lifted because Hoyt Nov 2017 #77
IQs lower than the caliber of their penis . . . er . . . guns Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #95
Your freedom to swing your fists stops at the end of my nose. kentuck Nov 2017 #54
You're about to get the wrath MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #60
Right to bear arms. liquid diamond Nov 2017 #63
Why do we never hear the words "well regulated" anymore? world wide wally Nov 2017 #67
Apparently it just means that your gun is in good working order. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #70
Don't mind me. I'm just here to mock gun love. hunter Nov 2017 #94
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