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chervilant

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82. What?!

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:43 AM

Jul 2012

This is the second time I've seen this assertion from you, and--again--I ask you: where did you get this statistic?

Per a UN survey:

Country Year Population % Homes w/ guns
----------------- ------- ------------ ----------------
United States 1993 257,783,004 39 %
Canada 1992 28,120,065 29.1

From a Reuters report in 2007:

US has 90 guns per 100 persons, Canada has 30 guns per 100 persons.

In an online quiz, 2011 statistics are:

88.8 guns per 100 persons in the US, 30.8 guns per 100 persons in Canada.

Of note, the US averages 9,369 murders by firearms annually; Canada averages 144 murders by firearms annually.

I could not find any research to substantiate your assertion, and I hope you will stop making this baseless claim.

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It is the guns. End of story [View all] Botany Jul 2012 OP

Couple guns and nuts and what do you get madokie Jul 2012 #1

Good find on 2nd amendment. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #2

Way To Ignore The Well Regulated Phrase ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #3

Not ignoring. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #6

With the largest, most powerful military in the world, what's the point of a militia? auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #21

Seriously, this might be a way of getting a decent national service requirement established. Pholus Jul 2012 #29

+ 1 brazillion! n/t kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #73

All men ages 17-45 and all members of the national guard are in the militia. Angleae Jul 2012 #167

The UNORGANIZED militia you mean. I'm saying it's time to make them all Well-Regulated. Pholus Jul 2012 #169

Militias are bodies of people who can be conscripted by their states in emergencies slackmaster Jul 2012 #84

Because the greatest enemy of the state could very well become *the state*. {nt} Yukari Yakumo Jul 2012 #90

funny how we gloss over this... Marblehead Jul 2012 #136

militias are gone and with them went the right to bear arms leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #79

Conenient Semantic Gymnastics There (eom) ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #98

and you should be well regulated. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #4

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #7

Absolutely amazing (and disgusting) that the post above was hidden. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #54

So many people shot, and this is what disgusts you? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #57

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #66

What disqusts me , is your post. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #113

Well, good for you. Thanks for helping me understand your priorities DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #117

The OP is a rant about the NRA and Gun nuts, bahrbearian Jul 2012 #123

Again, thanks for helping me understand what you're about. Good day. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #126

You have a nice day , ya delicate flower. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #127

Not just any old, half-assed militia though. eShirl Jul 2012 #5

So N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #8

that's what you say it says. xchrom Jul 2012 #12

I agree they are crazy. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #17

So why did you leave the phrase "well regulated" out? eShirl Jul 2012 #16

Because N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #18

That is not what "regulated" means in that context hack89 Jul 2012 #25

Language may change Plucketeer Jul 2012 #44

No, the etymology of regulate is mbperrin Jul 2012 #96

This is the definintion I was using hack89 Jul 2012 #99

Nope. "To control by rule" is not what you are saying. mbperrin Jul 2012 #101

The Oxford English Dictionary is the gold standard for the English language, hack89 Jul 2012 #104

Yes, the OED is NOT what you quoted. The site I quoted is one of theirs. mbperrin Jul 2012 #137

Read my post again for comprehension hack89 Jul 2012 #140

If you cannot understand that a secondary paraphrase is not as good as an actual citation, mbperrin Jul 2012 #153

NRA Talking Point bongbong Jul 2012 #133

So show me exactly what the founding fathers said on the matter. hack89 Jul 2012 #135

Educate bongbong Jul 2012 #148

can you read? Botany Jul 2012 #9

Can you? N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #14

I'll take my Constitutional amendments the way Thomas Jefferson wrote them thank you very much Botany Jul 2012 #23

Wasn't Thomas Jefferson in France at the time as an ambassador, although he wrote a letter to AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #156

Are you part of a militia? morningfog Jul 2012 #20

Could be. There are about 75 million people in the militia. Angleae Jul 2012 #168

This post was also alerted on but had a more reasonable Jury bahrbearian Jul 2012 #27

It does not say that. It says the people have a right to bear arms as part of a AllyCat Jul 2012 #77

No meaningful restrictions on gun rights are going to come out of this. End of story. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #10

The inevitable trend is for more unjust death and permanent injury. Loudly Jul 2012 #85

Actually, the trend over the last 20 years has been for less unjust death. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #129

Do you know that an increase in gun ownership is responsible for the decrease in violent crimes? soccer1 Jul 2012 #139

Not for a fact. I do know that those who wish to ban guns (such as the Brady Campaign and VPC) Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #144

Maybe the decrease in violent crimes is due to better... soccer1 Jul 2012 #151

Agree. ananda Jul 2012 #11

tea party paramilitary attitude <--- yes, very important point BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #46

Maybe we should bring back militias Confusious Jul 2012 #13

Then criminals could not get guns right? N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #15

Bu bye Sedona Jul 2012 #22

I think Confusious Jul 2012 #24

fine w/ me Botany Jul 2012 #19

All on board with this one! After all, guns don't kill people: the militiaman does. Pholus Jul 2012 #26

Nope. wrong Iggy Jul 2012 #31

Every American male up to age 45 is in the unorganized militia. It is the law of the land. hack89 Jul 2012 #28

I did not know that Confusious Jul 2012 #34

Are you over 45? If so, turn in your guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #106

Come and get them if you dare. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #111

Ah, another intimidating gun owner and gun promoter. Hoyt Jul 2012 #120

It seems to work against passive aggressive gun grabbers hack89 Jul 2012 #122

Police state? Better than a police wannabe state with a bunch of yahoos strutting around with guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #154

The usual response of the insecure. nt Pholus Jul 2012 #170

The one thing I have no doubt about is that gun control is dead in America hack89 Jul 2012 #171

Frankly, I am surprised to hear such an undemocratic attitude expressed so openly! Pholus Jul 2012 #172

NOPE, I strongly disagree Iggy Jul 2012 #30

this event would have been the same, maybe worse, if he used a flame thrower, KurtNYC Jul 2012 #32

But if everyone carried flamethrowers this wouldn't have been as.... err wait.... Pholus Jul 2012 #36

Actually, owning a flame thrower requires less paperwork than a rifle. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #43

Appears you've checked into it. Hoyt Jul 2012 #107

Looking it up on Wikipedia was quite the effort. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #131

This is bullshit RegieRocker Jul 2012 #33

No cherry picking you have to read the whole thing Botany Jul 2012 #39

Correct RegieRocker Jul 2012 #41

However, what the language does NOT do... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #59

10USC311 krispos42 Jul 2012 #88

. Go Vols Jul 2012 #138

You must not be familiar with Heller. The issue is settled. tritsofme Jul 2012 #166

I own a motor vehicle Not Me Jul 2012 #35

The requirements for registration, licensing, inspection, and insurance on your car apply only... slackmaster Jul 2012 #37

Yes and when I am in said registered, insured vehicle... Fla Dem Jul 2012 #74

thank you for posting this. barbtries Jul 2012 #38

Metal phalluses, that's all they are. nt valerief Jul 2012 #40

I'm beginning to think you're right. secondvariety Jul 2012 #61

They're like people who never feel like they have enough money. valerief Jul 2012 #64

My my my... Marinedem Jul 2012 #115

Mental illness? FaceDancer Jul 2012 #128

If the shoe fits....nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #141

Sounds as if you are jealous. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #91

well... Marinedem Jul 2012 #114

LOL! randome Jul 2012 #134

I believe our violent entertainment culture gblady Jul 2012 #42

I think it is more the violence used to resolve problems by the MIC (Gov't) harun Jul 2012 #45

Bingo. Many cultures can read and watch violent entertainment without blowing each other away RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #72

Beck said the same thing, but is ridiculed. FaceDancer Jul 2012 #130

god, this picture is just so sick. Really does exemplify what's wrong. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Pizz Jul 2012 #48

No arguments here. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #49

You ask 'when'? Never. randome Jul 2012 #50

i watched that show and i never felt the urge to shoot at anybody... dionysus Jul 2012 #51

Why are we the only 1st world people with 100% uncontrolled guns and crappy health insurance? Patiod Jul 2012 #52

Don't plant that axiom too deep, Farmer Patiod! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #62

Excellent post; well stated! chervilant Jul 2012 #70

You clearly fail to appreciate the beauty of the free market, Patiod RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #75

+++++GOOD QUESTIONS marions ghost Jul 2012 #132

We don't have 100% uncontrolled guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #142

Shhh...don't confuse them with facts. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #145

My bad, I meant 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #149

"Anyone can get a gun at the 7/11 without so much as showing an ID, ammo is available in vending Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #152

Its also a mental health problem. Bosso 63 Jul 2012 #53

Furthermore, chervilant Jul 2012 #71

No, it's not the guns, MadHound Jul 2012 #55

What?! chervilant Jul 2012 #82

Thank you. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #143

It's not the guns. It's this country's f*cked up worship of them. Avalux Jul 2012 #56

People just refuse to accept that guns kill people. ileus Jul 2012 #58

re:It is the guns. End of story allan01 Jul 2012 #60

So if it is the guns, does every gun owner shoot people? The Straight Story Jul 2012 #63

But what about all the legal gun owners who stopped this lunatic.....oh wait... cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #65

you couldn't restrain yourself for even 24 hours could you snooper2 Jul 2012 #67

No I couldn't restrain myself Botany Jul 2012 #78

Unrec. It is NOT the "end of story." Atman Jul 2012 #68

It is the air.... sendero Jul 2012 #69

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #76

I BET THIS MrDiaz Jul 2012 #80

"You ... people" ?? lpbk2713 Jul 2012 #81

And if it was legal? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #83

your right MrDiaz Jul 2012 #86

Can I get you some salt? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #158

A question.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #94

thats a good one MrDiaz Jul 2012 #105

What if banning all guns, other than rifles used for hunting soccer1 Jul 2012 #110

that is the equivalent MrDiaz Jul 2012 #119

What's a "chl" license holder? soccer1 Jul 2012 #147

Guns have only one purpose abelenkpe Jul 2012 #87

Well fuck. Marinedem Jul 2012 #116

Wonder if the theater in my home town will put a "No Weapons Sign" in their window NOW? AllyCat Jul 2012 #89

Whatever ....pffft. L0oniX Jul 2012 #92

Penn and Teller said it best Yukari Yakumo Jul 2012 #93

American Exceptionalism ErikJ Jul 2012 #95

I wonder if the founding fathers would have put the 2nd Amendment in such that way if they 4lbs Jul 2012 #97

Well... Marinedem Jul 2012 #118

Its the constitution. End of story. bhikkhu Jul 2012 #100

So get used to dying, Americans. It's the price of "freedom." Loudly Jul 2012 #102

There are a whole set of responsibilities that go with owning guns bhikkhu Jul 2012 #160

and corporations are people and money is speech nt HomerRamone Jul 2012 #108

Absolutely. But the fetishizing of guns, the sense of self-definition people have been taught to villager Jul 2012 #103

Absolutely IS the guns. One man with a knife could not do that damage. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #109

So... Marinedem Jul 2012 #121

So is the implication that gun control would have prevented this? electricray Jul 2012 #112

I did not know that the assault weapon ban expired in 2004! soccer1 Jul 2012 #124

And since 2004, the murder rate has gone down. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #146

Must be a cause-effect relationship between being able to obtain assault weapons and the decrease soccer1 Jul 2012 #150

As defined by the late, unlamented AWB I do indeed have a couple "assault weapons". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #163

Okay. soccer1 Jul 2012 #164

Good point - there is no good correlation there bhikkhu Jul 2012 #161

Has anyone said yet that more guns are the answer? Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #125

Agreed RedEarth Jul 2012 #155

Yep, it is. That and a twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment, which in modern apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #157

How do you explain the bombs he had in his apartment? Zalatix Jul 2012 #159

It is GUNS...an All-American way to handle frustration.... Tikki Jul 2012 #162

You can call it 2nd Amendment "crap" but the Supreme Court disagrees. Bake Jul 2012 #165