HRC would have been nominated without the superdelegates...that proves we don't NEED them.

[Gothmog]

192. Your claims about real world experience are not relevant to the soundness of your proposals

I only care about the soundness of your proposals. Whether I believe your claims as to real experience does play a role in my opinion as to the soundness of your proposals. To use more legal jargon, my opinion as to your real world experience is not relevant to the issue of whether your proposals would work in the real world. It is clear to me that your proposals would not work in the real world for the reasons set forth in my posts.

No member of congress would agree to a proposal that would deny such member the right to support and campaign for the candidate of their choice during the primary process. This proposal would be laughed at if presented to a real super delegate. Every high dollar campaign event I went to had numerous local members of Congress and other super delegates in attendance. The members of the CBC would gain nothing by your proposal in the real world and would deny these members the right to attend these campaign events. Again, I live in the real world and I actually know super delegates and members of the Congressional Black Caucus. No member of congress would give up their right to support their candidate of choice during the primary process just to make you happy with no benefit. That is how the real world works.

BTW, I was on the Obama voter protection team in 2008 and was the chairman of my precinct caucus as well as one of the members for the nominations and rules committees for my senate district caucus. I helped train Obama supporters as to how to use the rules of the caucus system to their advantage. President Obama had members of his Iowa team come straight to Texas for these efforts and these people were fun to work with. I enjoyed watching game theory concepts applied in real life to the rules of the caucus system but then again I actually live and participate in the real world. The same mathematical formula used for cumulative voting in corporate elections played a significant role in the training on how to win in caucuses.

It was at one of these Obama training sessions, I heard the complaints from members of Sheila's district about her support of Hillary Clinton. Sheila's district is packed/stacked or gerrymandered so President Obama carried her district by a significant margin. To the credit of the Obama team, they told everyone to be patient and that Congresswoman Jackson Lee would come around at the right time and they were correct. That is how politics works in the real world. Again members of congress have the right to support the candidate of their choice during the primary process and any attempt to restrict that right would fail in the real world. The Obama team understood this and counseled their supporters to be patient with Sheila.

If you disagree, then defend your proposal with facts. What benefits would a super delegate get by forgoing endorsing and campaigning for a candidate? Why would a super delegate or member of Congress not want to attend high dollar campaign events with the candidate of their choice? Exactly what is the supposed benefit that these super delegates would obtain? I have run into a large super delegates and members of congress at high dollar campaign events. They attend these events for a reason and would not want to refrain unless there is an actual reason that could be documented in the real world. You have yet to identify any benefit to these Congress persons other than your personal approval (which is meaningless in the real world).

Ken, you can keep on making proposals that have no chance of being accepted in the real world. I will keep on working in the real world with actual leaders of the party and actual super delegates and members of the CBC. In the real world it takes a great deal of hard work to be elected as a delegate to the national convention. I enjoy hard work on real issues in the real world because I firmly believe that we will turn Texas blue.