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Hangingon

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62. This has been asked and answered in most shooting threads.

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:22 PM

Nov 2017

If the dealer follows the law and gets a clean response, he can sell without liability. If he does not follow the law, he can and should be held accountable. Individual sellers do not have enough access to NICS. I don’t think they should have it. Still if they sell without due diligence and the buyer misuses the gun, I think they should’ve held accountable. Currently they are not.

My son sold a shot gun to a person about 30 miles away -within the state. He suggested they meet at the local police station. Why not get the states to enact laws requiring this and have the police do a back ground check for free?

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To the gun lovers, **I** have the right to stay alive and happy while . . . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 OP

Well said nt Phoenix61 Nov 2017 #1

sorry but in reality gun owners 2A rights trump anybody's right to a safe life nt msongs Nov 2017 #2

What about the right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness?" Atman Nov 2017 #49

Life, liberty And the pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence. Hangingon Nov 2017 #59

Gosh, really Wally? Atman Nov 2017 #68

Well, civics would have taught that the Constitution is the law of the land. Hangingon Nov 2017 #69

Gun humpers love their weapons more than life itself. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #51

That's pretty stupid way for things to be, don't you think? HopeAgain Nov 2017 #81

k and r niyad Nov 2017 #3

And my right to stay alive and happy.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #4

And in the last 40 years, we've done a lot about drunk driving gratuitous Nov 2017 #6

Way to miss the point! Adrahil Nov 2017 #16

This! +1000! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #29

All very good points. louis-t Nov 2017 #58

Drunk driving is illegal. Owning a gun is not. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #7

False equivalence sarisataka Nov 2017 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #31

Maybe you've missed a point? King_Klonopin Nov 2017 #45

Drunk drivers are a grave danger on the road. SwissTony Nov 2017 #9

I don't think the intent really matters. Adrahil Nov 2017 #17

Excuse me. You NEED an argument for why you should restrict guns????? SwissTony Nov 2017 #26

Okay... good luck! Adrahil Nov 2017 #35

Thanks for contributing to inncocent men, women and children being slaughtered. n/t SwissTony Nov 2017 #36

I'd love to do something about it. Adrahil Nov 2017 #37

I DON'T blame you specifically. SwissTony Nov 2017 #40

And you still miss the point.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #46

How about banning/restricting guns? It worked in OZ. n/t SwissTony Nov 2017 #48

It worked in Dodge City too. world wide wally Nov 2017 #66

A bartender can be held criminally and civilly liable for serving alcohol to a drunk patron Yavin4 Nov 2017 #11

This has been asked and answered in most shooting threads. Hangingon Nov 2017 #62

Drunk Driving is illegal treestar Nov 2017 #42

False equivalence. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #61

Yes, you have a right to stay alive and happy. No, others owning guns doesn't threaten that right aikoaiko Nov 2017 #5

Tell that to the people in Vegas and Texas and... and.... SwissTony Nov 2017 #10

So you would limit or take away the rights of a whole group of people Alea Nov 2017 #15

You're worried about the rights of people who want guns. SwissTony Nov 2017 #19

Everything you just said minus the reply title Alea Nov 2017 #25

Complete and utter bullshit. SwissTony Nov 2017 #28

Complete and utter bullshit Alea Nov 2017 #30

May I ask you two questions? SwissTony Nov 2017 #33

Yes you may ask Alea Nov 2017 #44

Thank you for your forthright reply. SwissTony Nov 2017 #47

Exactly how many people have you shot in self defense? world wide wally Nov 2017 #65

You would argue with a post to defend the precious gun. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #76

I'm so sick of gun humpers basing their arguments on "rights". smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #56

Tuff shitski - It's called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs Alea Nov 2017 #57

"Rights." MarvinGardens Nov 2017 #64

Funny how the 2nd is the ONLY one they care about n2doc Nov 2017 #71

Problems w/ Due process? Like re: the terrorist watch list so many want to add to the NIC system? jmg257 Nov 2017 #72

Funny how I don't support that n2doc Nov 2017 #73

Cool - cheers! jmg257 Nov 2017 #74

Virtually no one argues for unfettered access. And most gun owners support the constitution,.... aikoaiko Nov 2017 #83

No one? The NRA and virtually all GOP'ers do exactly that. n2doc Nov 2017 #86

The NRA doesn't oppose background checks when buying new guns aikoaiko Nov 2017 #87

And that's why you're failing. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #80

I'm failing? Me personally? Actually I'm not, but thanks smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #82

oh. well, then do tell how you've "fuck[ed] guns, gun humpers, and gun industry bagmen"? aikoaiko Nov 2017 #84

You are confusing me with the OP. I did not write that and I don't know what you are talking smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #88

Oh you're right. I am confusing you with the OP. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #89

Sure, and people should have every right to own dozens of machine guns. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #13

Go try and buy any of those things mentioned and get back with us with your results n/t Alea Nov 2017 #20

I was asking about your opinion, not the fact that we have somewhat limited private militaries. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #21

I think where this thread fork is getting problematic is, all the items you listed are massively AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #34

Yes, limits are ok with me. I'm not a 2A absolutist. Alea Nov 2017 #41

Actually, a possible solution is treating semi-automatic firearms like fully-automatic firearms. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #24

I would agree to that. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #32

I have the same right to life as you Alea Nov 2017 #8

I agree with you, but sadly, society doesn't. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #12

One of the reasons other countries have been so effective at passing gun-control legislation is Aristus Nov 2017 #14

Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Where? IronLionZion Nov 2017 #18

9th amend insures that no single amend is absolute! Cryptoad Nov 2017 #22

The 2nd amendment has been used to deny and disparage other rights IronLionZion Nov 2017 #38

Yes it does but only because the NRA- GOP SCOTUS allow it rather ,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2017 #43

Sorry, but ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #75

Dead people can't report this violation of the law IronLionZion Nov 2017 #78

So is your contention ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #79

When you're dead, it's a little too late IronLionZion Nov 2017 #85

Just for clarification ... Straw Man Nov 2017 #90

I'm saying you chose the correct handle IronLionZion Nov 2017 #91

Non-answer. No points. Straw Man Nov 2017 #92

Bummer IronLionZion Nov 2017 #93

K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2017 #27

K&R Big time. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #39

You don't have the right to legislate others behavior... Baconator Nov 2017 #50

These murders work in the NRAs favor. The people that oppose doc03 Nov 2017 #52

Unfortunately the SCOTUS does not see it that way - and these are supposed to be our Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #53

I guess the government doesnt have a compelling interest in keeping us alive. Lars39 Nov 2017 #55

I do not believe the SCOTUS ruled against the previous Assault Weapons Ban. It was lifted because Hoyt Nov 2017 #77

IQs lower than the caliber of their penis . . . er . . . guns Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #95

Your freedom to swing your fists stops at the end of my nose. kentuck Nov 2017 #54

You're about to get the wrath MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #60

Right to bear arms. liquid diamond Nov 2017 #63

Why do we never hear the words "well regulated" anymore? world wide wally Nov 2017 #67

Apparently it just means that your gun is in good working order. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #70

Don't mind me. I'm just here to mock gun love. hunter Nov 2017 #94