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LisaM

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32. It really should espouse a range of views...

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:14 PM

Nov 2017

people can be populist on some issues and more centrist on others, for one thing, and a lot depends on where they live and what they can reasonably expect to accomplish.

I don't like seeing these rents in the Big Tent. I liked being in the Big Tent. It's what 'liberal' means, to have a generosity of spirit, to specifically not be narrow and harsh.

I think a lot of what's hurt the political climate is, frankly, taking the politicians out of politics. By nature, a politician needs to see multiple points of view and decide how to advance an agenda while making concessions here and there. Deals need to benefit both sides or they don't work.

Injecting novices and business people into politics has been an abject failure. I don't like it. It's poison.

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If the Democratic Party went Populist would Centrists Flee? [View all] Billsmile Nov 2017 OP

i would vote for the person but NOT campaign for them.. samnsara Nov 2017 #1

Tired of this AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Nov 2017 #79

Incorrect GaryCnf Nov 2017 #104

Totally dishonest Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #105

That's a good try GaryCnf Nov 2017 #112

So now you're changing your argument Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #118

Even ignoring the fact that it doesn't address GaryCnf Nov 2017 #121

Changing your argument again Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #122

If that's what you got, go with it GaryCnf Nov 2017 #123

Still changing your argument. Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #124

Too much snow. Populism is a NEGATIVE force, right or left, Hortensis Nov 2017 #106

Fair enough GaryCnf Nov 2017 #109

A key feature of populism is ignorance. Hortensis Nov 2017 #111

Okay GaryCnf Nov 2017 #113

:) Back to Billsmile's silly OP: How can WE go "populist" Hortensis Nov 2017 #115

Jeez GaryCnf Nov 2017 #116

Lol. Now, I believe we need to be blaming others more for Hortensis Nov 2017 #117

We actually agree there, too. GaryCnf Nov 2017 #119

Oh, this has to stop! :) For sure a lot of the numbers are pumped Hortensis Nov 2017 #139

Do you think making me cry GaryCnf Nov 2017 #140

No channeling Brazile. That's where we part. Hortensis Nov 2017 #141

. . . GaryCnf Nov 2017 #142

bingo Champion Jack Nov 2017 #130

"....and if they were spewing all kinds of shit and lies..." pangaia Nov 2017 #81

I would leave but not to become a Republican leftofcool Nov 2017 #2

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #13

.You might be wrong Skidmore Nov 2017 #50

I think you have no clue what the term neo-liberal means emulatorloo Nov 2017 #52

working acorss the aisle DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #18

True dat!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #26

This happened before Trump Alpeduez21 Nov 2017 #35

Was this divisive thread started by a troll? AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #71

One wonders, doesn't one. We can't be allowed one lousy night to enjoy Democratic victories... Hekate Nov 2017 #82

I'm a Hillary Democrat, too. But I wouldn't consider myself a centrist. LuvLoogie Nov 2017 #80

Lets say they grew a third ear vs the party that grew a third eye Wwcd Nov 2017 #3

Right. I tried to seriously answer, but really, this. SandyZ Nov 2017 #9

Ok back to Trump. Wwcd Nov 2017 #54

Yes, well. The Democratic Party is the winner tonight for sure. SandyZ Nov 2017 #56

Winner!! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #69

One of, if not the most, progressive platforms of a major party. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #4

Platforms are meaningless. Zen Democrat Nov 2017 #14

Not even close to meaningless. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #20

come on. Our platform was the most progressive after the primary, not before. And she did not. JCanete Nov 2017 #129

You are not being honest about Clinton... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #131

actually any of those. I'm telling you what I saw every time I turned her on the TV or pulled a JCanete Nov 2017 #134

"Obviously I didn't see everything she ever said" NCTraveler Nov 2017 #135

okay, YES, based upon the parameters I set, this is absolutely an example of Clinton talking about JCanete Nov 2017 #143

Thats not a clarification. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #144

Not true, because I don't have an agenda here. I'd rather fully understand these issues myself. JCanete Nov 2017 #148

If Donald Trump hasn't made you a liberal yet... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #5

Then they're hopeless... beyond deplorable. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #29

Populism doesn't appeal to minorities much since the target of their attacks JI7 Nov 2017 #6

Yep. OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #34

The Democratic Party is already populist Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #7

Populist Democrats are pro Main Street and anti Wall Street, to simplify. Zen Democrat Nov 2017 #15

In your opinion Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #19

Agreed pandr32 Nov 2017 #132

When you say Neo-Libs Eko Nov 2017 #38

It equates to this: Garrett78 Nov 2017 #59

"Populists" have never heard of Martin Luther King Boulevard... OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #41

"The Neo-Libs love Wall Street." betsuni Nov 2017 #93

does workign classworking class white male DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #16

Females, immigrants, DACA, minorities, handicapped, and LGBT have bigger issues Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #23

er... DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #28

really no comparison Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #36

with no health insurance or money for food and rent DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #43

No I'm not saying the woman and minorities can live on air Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #46

Amen ! Say it ! And don't us ones who have some $ know it lunasun Nov 2017 #88

I do not think you are DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #125

The biggest reason they don't get it is discrmination because gendet, race etc JI7 Nov 2017 #39

Does this sound like a winning strategy to you? Kentonio Nov 2017 #96

... LexVegas Nov 2017 #8

Trump is a populist. Why would the Democratic party go populist? Squinch Nov 2017 #10

There is such a thing as progressive populism marylandblue Nov 2017 #11

Bernie populism is pretty much also a white male populism Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #17

Bernie may be clueless on some things, but DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #22

you could make that point without saying anti-wall street Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #24

well, it is hard not to say that DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #30

not its not hard Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #33

Yes, that's true, which is why I supported Clinton marylandblue Nov 2017 #40

Bernie was campaigning for civil rights before most of the party was even born. Kentonio Nov 2017 #97

any one who calls them selves NOT A FRICKEN CONSERVATIVE best support democrats no matter beachbum bob Nov 2017 #12

Progressive populism where the middle class, workers and poor are looked mvd Nov 2017 #21

Here, here!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #31

"where the middle class, workers and poor are looked after" That would be the Democratic Party. SandyZ Nov 2017 #78

Needs to be more of a focus, IMO mvd Nov 2017 #83

Imo, it is obvious the Dems are on the middle class and poor, side. Small business, SandyZ Nov 2017 #89

More so than the Repukes, for sure mvd Nov 2017 #91

I'm a liberal, not a populist. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #25

me too! Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #37

I despise populism because it needs a foil DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #42

thats a good way of looking at it Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #44

I don't dislike rich people. I dislike greedy people. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #45

right there with you Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #48

I don't dislike corporations. I dislike corporations that ignore the public good. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #49

Corporations aren't chartered for the public good Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #51

"populists" will have to do a lot better than Bernie Sanders. wyldwolf Nov 2017 #27

Nah, I think he's doing just fine thanks. Kentonio Nov 2017 #98

No. He is not. He'll never again be on a national major party ballot... wyldwolf Nov 2017 #128

If he isn't it will be because he chooses not to be Kentonio Nov 2017 #138

Exactly - because he wouldn't want to embarrass himself. wyldwolf Nov 2017 #147

It really should espouse a range of views... LisaM Nov 2017 #32

I have come to not like that word. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #47

California liberals have gone to a lot of effort to make California Centrist tirebiter Nov 2017 #53

Not at all. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #55

You shouldn't come over here to troll. Tsk. MerryBlooms Nov 2017 #57

"Site Voldemort"? That's not very nice. I agree, JPR should stay at JPR. betsuni Nov 2017 #92

We are what we are...not going anything... Tonight is about victory...no more Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #58

I won't vote for a Bernie. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #60

Let's stop and define "populism," because it's a pretty vague concept. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #61

Populist always equal nationalist. No matter how you spin it GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #62

The fact you put billionaires in the same list as Jews, Blacks and Gays is deeply troubling Kentonio Nov 2017 #99

"deeply troubling" betsuni Nov 2017 #100

Good intellectual reply. Kentonio Nov 2017 #101

What intellectual discussion? "Fuck that noise"? betsuni Nov 2017 #107

Not most. David__77 Nov 2017 #63

Trump is populist. Populism is not good governing. scheming daemons Nov 2017 #64

See post #61. It depends on what is meant by "populism." Garrett78 Nov 2017 #66

He campaigned as a populist, and to deny he did is revisionist history. emulatorloo Nov 2017 #68

Calling himself a populist, or the media calling him one, doesn't make it so. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #73

Drain the swap, evil globalist bankers emulatorloo Nov 2017 #74

Trump did campaign against Wall Street malfeasance. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #75

Lord. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #67

The Democratic Party is populist and centrist, and we are welcoming everyone to join us. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #70

+1000 I think this thread should be removed. Do we even know the author? AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #76

They didn't flee Obama. joshcryer Nov 2017 #72

Can we do this tomorrow? RandySF Nov 2017 #77

Apparently not. This is a hit and run post... Hekate Nov 2017 #85

it is tomorrow in Russia grantcart Nov 2017 #86

Populism isn't the same as progressive. George Wallace was a populist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #84

Garbage argument, Billsmile. "So let's have at it"? Come back and say this again... Hekate Nov 2017 #87

Celebration time . Sorry please call back later lunasun Nov 2017 #90

Populism isn't a political philosophy. There have been both Dem and repug populists. brush Nov 2017 #94

.. Kentonio Nov 2017 #95

DEMOCRATS elected a trans woman and a socialist in VA lapucelle Nov 2017 #103

I guess "leftists" really like the word "fuck." betsuni Nov 2017 #108

Are you questioning centrists' loyalty to our party? GaryCnf Nov 2017 #102

The premise is confounded: economic populism or diversity populism.... Sancho Nov 2017 #110

Don't confound "populist" and "progressive" Adrahil Nov 2017 #114

Aw, Gowan Witcha! MineralMan Nov 2017 #120

First of all, WTF is "populism?" It seems to be a word to describe something extremely unpopular. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #126

We pulled the Centrists in JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #127

Flamebait. God forbid we should enjoy our victories, even for a full day. (nt) Paladin Nov 2017 #133

A few that we don't need anyway would leave. You know the type, they tell us we can't brewens Nov 2017 #136

How many threads are we going to see BainsBane Nov 2017 #137

The Party is made of a lot of views. It has always moved forward Wwcd Nov 2017 #145

Centrist Democrats? No. brooklynite Nov 2017 #146