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jmg257

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89. Taking no offense. These aren't phony statistics. They're FBI/DOJ crime stats and well-known.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

And they existed long before trump became president....in fact the latest are from Obama's DOJ.
No offense - anecdotes are fun, but facts are better.

"To see the charts of each type of crime, both violent and non-violent, on U.S. Department of Justice websites showing almost all categories at historic lows, click here and here. If you explore these webpages, you will see that it is not just violent crime; almost all types of crime have declined more than half over the past 20 years."

http://web.archive.org/web/20100313064618/http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=kftp&tid=3


Nonfatal firearm incidents and victims, 1993-2008
Year Firearm incidents victims Firearm crime rate
1993 1,054,820 1,248,250 5.9 11 %
1994 1,060,800 1,286,860 6.0 11
1995 902,680 1,050,900 4.9 10
1996 845,220 989,930 4.6 10
1997 680,900 795,560 3.6 9
1998 557,200 670,480 3.0 8
1999 457,150 562,870 2.5 7
2000 428,670 533,470 2.4 7
2001 467,880 524,030 2.3 9
2002 353,880 430,930 1.9 7
2003 366,840 449,150 1.9 7
2004 280,890 331,630 1.4 6
2005 416,940 474,110 1.9 9
2007 348,910 394,580 1.6 7
2008 303,880 343,550

Firearm Crimes
1993 581,697 225.5 17,048 6.6 279,738 108.5 284,910 110.5
1994 542,529 208.4 16,314 6.3 257,428 98.9 268,788 103.2
1995 504,421 192.0 14,686 5.6 238,023 90.6 251,712 95.8
1996 458,458 172.8 13,319 5.0 218,579 82.4 226,559 85.4
1997 414,530 154.9 12,346 4.6 197,686 73.9 204,498 76.4
1998 364,776 135.0 10,977 4.1 170,611 63.1 183,188 67.8
1999 338,535 124.1 10,128 3.7 163,458 59.9 164,949 60.5
2000 341,831 121.5 10,179 3.6 166,807 59.3 164,845 58.6
2001 354,754 124.3 11,106 3.9 177,627 62.3 166,021 58.2
2002 357,822 124.3 10,808 3.8 177,088 61.5 169,926 59.0
2003 347,705 119.6 11,041 3.8 172,802 59.4 163,863 56.3
2004 338,587 115.3 10,650 3.6 162,938 55.5 164,998 56.2
2005 368,178 124.2 11,351 3.8 175,608 59.2 181,219 61.1
2006 388,897 129.9 11,566 3.9 188,804 63.1 188,527 63.0
2007 385,178

https://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/StatebyState.cfm?NoVariables=Y&CFID=153842461&CFTOKEN=54589f6285af86cb-156FCB6B-F2BC-0A54-E99EE2177CA56EEE

" The violent crime rate last year was 367.9 for each 100,000 in population, down 5.1 percent from 2012.The rate has fallen every year since at least 1994, the earliest year for readily accessible FBI data, and the 2013 figure was about half the 1994 rate."

https://www.wanttoknow.info/a-fbi-violent-crime-drops-reaches-1970s-level

"In all regions, the country appears to be safer. The odds of being murdered or robbed are now less than half of what they were in the early 1990s, when violent crime peaked in the United States. Small towns, especially, are seeing far fewer murders: In cities with populations under 10,000, the number plunged by more than 25 percent last year."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html

"The FBI says crime rates, including murder, were down last year. The report is in contrast to headlines this year. In 2014 the U.S. recorded the fewest murders since 2009."
https://www.wanttoknow.info/a-fbi-report-violent-crime-down-us


You would have to check the FBI NIC stats to see the year after year record increases in background checks to know how many more guns there are now then 20 years. ago.

Cheers!

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He ran toward the danger, not away from it and put 2 bullets into the murdering POS Lurks Often Nov 2017 #1
And some on this board are calling exboyfil Nov 2017 #2
It won't play well at all outside of very blue districts. Lurks Often Nov 2017 #3
I'm from a very blue district leftynyc Nov 2017 #27
Im thinking damn few also. cwydro Nov 2017 #12
I agree with you. How anyone can demonize this man is beyond comprehension. It's why we lose. grossproffit Nov 2017 #28
I would be running to the victims to administer CPR. Ilsa Nov 2017 #69
What if he was going to turn himself in? loyalsister Nov 2017 #4
He shot himself in the head. After shooting at the interloper. Not sure 'might turn himself in' jmg257 Nov 2017 #5
What if he was going to track down his MIL and shoot her since she wasn't at church snooper2 Nov 2017 #6
Exactly my point loyalsister Nov 2017 #11
You need to prove...something? That this civilian did NOT do something good by confronting jmg257 Nov 2017 #16
This is being used to "prove" that everyone should have a gun loyalsister Nov 2017 #19
Ah - gotcha. Clearly not a good idea. nt jmg257 Nov 2017 #20
I have no idea where you're getting that. pintobean Nov 2017 #21
The NRA has been dreaming of the day that they would find their hero loyalsister Nov 2017 #25
And THAT is the point. Thank you. Orrex Nov 2017 #85
Any more it is going to take both, a good man with a gun and fewer guns and more laws are needed bec Jim Beard Nov 2017 #94
"What if he was going to turn himself in?" EX500rider Nov 2017 #9
He was an active shooter. pintobean Nov 2017 #10
Thank you. Nt cwydro Nov 2017 #13
I was pointing out how dumb speculation is loyalsister Nov 2017 #14
be careful historian Nov 2017 #23
You really think Willeford was hoping to become a hero??? He just doesn't seem like that jmg257 Nov 2017 #24
I don't think most gun owners think that way loyalsister Nov 2017 #31
Why? Why would they just be busting to use it?? Strange you think so many are just aching to kill. jmg257 Nov 2017 #33
Why own anything you don't want to use? loyalsister Nov 2017 #36
You mean like a fire extinguisher? A bee-sting kit? A seat belt? A life preserver? jmg257 Nov 2017 #39
Which of those items is specifically designed to kill people? loyalsister Nov 2017 #41
So you change the question!!? "Why own anything you don't want to use?" jmg257 Nov 2017 #42
Guns for other things is the most callous justification out there loyalsister Nov 2017 #44
Yeesh...YOU were the one who asked the questions. And now your making points that had jmg257 Nov 2017 #47
exactly historian Nov 2017 #75
Curious point. How do you think they would have handled the importance of the people/militia then? jmg257 Nov 2017 #91
I own a plunger. pintobean Nov 2017 #35
Do you carry it everywhere you go? loyalsister Nov 2017 #37
Nope. just my phone, wallet and keys. pintobean Nov 2017 #40
If you need specific tools.... loyalsister Nov 2017 #43
Just admit that the idea makes you feel icky... Baconator Nov 2017 #61
yes it's gross and creepy loyalsister Nov 2017 #62
Doubling down on the whole 'making things up' bit...? Baconator Nov 2017 #78
I carry a flashlight everywhere I go Not Ruth Nov 2017 #54
It specifically designed to use when there isn't enough light, right? loyalsister Nov 2017 #56
I would argue that it is a trade off between weight and safety Not Ruth Nov 2017 #57
That *is* the purpose, and was the first lesson I was taught about guns. moriah Nov 2017 #68
I certainly keep my plunger next to the toilet. ;) moriah Nov 2017 #64
I can only speak for myself sarisataka Nov 2017 #45
I carry daily and hope I never have to even draw my gun Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #46
But you can and are willing to use it for the purpose it was designed for? loyalsister Nov 2017 #67
For defense of myself or others Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #71
And when it's necessary to shoot, it's still a BFD legally for the person. moriah Nov 2017 #73
Thats an almost universal thing with people who have had to live through it Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #80
Mine are personal protection instruments designed to save life. ileus Nov 2017 #63
Yeah I hear that a lot loyalsister Nov 2017 #66
He had to take time to get his rifle out of his gunsafe in his home. Hardly Jim Beard Nov 2017 #81
You're correct GaryCnf Nov 2017 #79
How to you judge the weight of the evidence to be such Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #82
Did he kill the neighbor? GaryCnf Nov 2017 #84
So if he missed he didnt mean it? Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #86
Perfect GaryCnf Nov 2017 #87
Your changing your stance a bit now Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #88
I'm not sure I can disagree with that last statement. GaryCnf Nov 2017 #93
Thanks for the detail and clarity loyalsister Nov 2017 #92
Active shooters don't do that. Bucky Nov 2017 #18
I understand you don't like the narrative you feel they're pushing... moriah Nov 2017 #48
Run with it and see where it has brought us loyalsister Nov 2017 #53
As I said, I get why you don't like how they're pushing the story. moriah Nov 2017 #58
You cant change what happened just because you dont like the Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #83
That's just embarrassing... Baconator Nov 2017 #59
Yes, it is. pintobean Nov 2017 #90
Under current laws... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #7
Have these people actually read the parable of the good Samaritan? gratuitous Nov 2017 #8
Can death ever be mercy? moriah Nov 2017 #50
Short answer gratuitous Nov 2017 #65
I'm confused. moriah Nov 2017 #70
IF we had certain regulations in place, and the ones we had were followed, Raine1967 Nov 2017 #15
Yeah that's the narrative from this incident. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #17
has it ever occurred to anyone historian Nov 2017 #22
I am sure that has occurred to plenty of people. You would have to square jmg257 Nov 2017 #30
not wishing to be rude historian Nov 2017 #74
Taking no offense. These aren't phony statistics. They're FBI/DOJ crime stats and well-known. jmg257 Nov 2017 #89
It doesn't always have to be political. dpd3672 Nov 2017 #26
He should've shot that asshole mass murderer BEFORE he stepped into the church. hunter Nov 2017 #29
It's possible both to consider the two guys who intervened as heroes and to simultaneously onenote Nov 2017 #32
He was trained. Willeford was a former NRA certified instructor. FarCenter Nov 2017 #49
That's what I was thinking. LisaM Nov 2017 #51
He was aiming to hit above or below the body armor that the guy was wearing. FarCenter Nov 2017 #52
Have you ever fired a gun? Under stress? At a moving target? Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #55
I have not, and that's why I don't want to glorify or condemn. LisaM Nov 2017 #60
Are you saying there were no armed individuals in that church? I don't think Kelley was Hoyt Nov 2017 #77
Yes. hunter Nov 2017 #95
Chemo works well on cancers. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #34
IMO People that go on murder sprees expect not to make it. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #38
I guess he is book_worm Nov 2017 #72
Glad he intervened, but it just proves guns seldom make things better. Hoyt Nov 2017 #76
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