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moriah

(8,312 posts)
99. It depends on who you're talking about, and what you mean.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:04 PM
Nov 2017

For example, the "Radical Faeries" I mentioned got their name and origins back in the '70s as primarily a gay male spiritual movement. Being gay itself was "radical" then, being Pagan was certainly "radical", and they in particular rejected binary gender concepts -- extremely "radical" even for Pagans. You had female spirituality going on, and embracing of female power which was great, and you had the Gardenerian-influenced heteronormative books, but that didn't help gay men or people who were not gender-conforming.

Yet the movement itself has grown beyond those roots. They still have some sanctuaries that are "queer safe space" that is meant specifically for gay men to have their own sacred space. Others are still "queer safe space", but welcome everyone who is fine with respecting that the Sanctuary *is* exactly that -- sacred, safe space, and if you can't deal you can either leave willingly or be escorted unwillingly off of their space. They also have very good relationships with sanctuaries embracing lesbian spirituality, and essentially have united a group that had been extremely divided over really silly patriarchal BS we never should have had to deal with. Including embracing those of us who are "differently queer". Wow, radical! Then. Not now.

They're one of the few movements left that still supports the "radical" idea of "intentional community" -- and the most successful Sanctuary is a full-time IC that is preserving land where plants exist nowhere else naturally -- certain mountains in Tennessee were islands in the past, and when they chose the location for its natural beauty they recognized the unique ecology. They have raised money from their business endeavors and gatherings to purchase and caretake as much of the surrounding area, and are now tax-exempt not just as an IC but as a nature preserve as well.

Yet drama isn't what you find (well, all communities have drama, but that's part of living with other people at all vs being a hermit) in successful intentional communities. You find people who share a vision of the world they want to live, and are accomplishing it together for at least their group. In many ways, pure "communism" only really works for a group about the size of an IC, and they are self-regulating in that -- when they get too big they split because they realize things aren't working.

Now, I won't deny that the RadFaes enjoy getting to be their true selves during Gathering -- there are some pretty flamboyant activities at times. But that's them being themselves in their own space. If that causes "drama", it's not *their* problem.

And many RadFaes are also members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence -- which lovingly embraces the label "radical" and their momentary rumored inclusion on the Catholic Church's "official list of heretics" because that's their way to get attention for AIDS fundraising and meth reduction programs. When you cosplay nuns in whiteface to highlight your makeup and a beard for charity (and truthfully they DO consider themselves a "sisterhood" and a service organization and demand a great deal of dedication) I guess "drama-seeking" does apply.

But it works!

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n/t Fait Accompli Nov 2017 #1
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #2
+1000 AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #54
Yup eom Arazi Nov 2017 #13
The Resistance is what this is about. The Resistance to Trump. R B Garr Nov 2017 #56
Hating Democrats Cary Nov 2017 #121
From Lee Carter's campaign site: George II Nov 2017 #76
It is a victory for moderates and liberals alike. Both of whom include large numbers of progressives StevieM Nov 2017 #3
I agree. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #19
I edited my post. I wrote "alive" but I meant to say "alike." (eom) StevieM Nov 2017 #23
No issue. I knew what you meant and you are dead right. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #29
Yes! peggysue2 Nov 2017 #116
+10,000. Hortensis Nov 2017 #130
Score a victory for Democrats and our big tent! mcar Nov 2017 #4
It's awesome. Cary Nov 2017 #11
So happy tonight! mcar Nov 2017 #24
Me too. Cary Nov 2017 #27
Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #5
define MODERATE Skittles Nov 2017 #6
Oh please Cary Nov 2017 #12
oh please yourself Skittles Nov 2017 #16
Which part of "not playing" did you not understand? Cary Nov 2017 #18
I DON'T PLAY THAT FUCKING GAME Skittles Nov 2017 #20
Right. Cary Nov 2017 #22
That's not my personal definition, but... moriah Nov 2017 #59
Your logic and reason may be wasted on the radical left Cary Nov 2017 #61
I dislike the term "radical left" when placed in the context of DUers. moriah Nov 2017 #79
Any name one uses will be derogatory Cary Nov 2017 #81
It depends on who you're talking about, and what you mean. moriah Nov 2017 #99
WTGDF is the "radical left"? HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #98
Thank you for placing that in more accurate words. moriah Nov 2017 #101
Spare me your righteous indignation Cary Nov 2017 #122
Not seeing that in the dictionary. ehrnst Nov 2017 #66
can't we just celebrate a good day for the D's? Let's postpone the infighting for more than 8 hours DrDan Nov 2017 #70
What a great suggestion! Hortensis Nov 2017 #80
I would be happy no matter what flavor Democrat won...having an axe to grind is a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #89
I'm too happy to let the hoi polloi affect me Cary Nov 2017 #124
43% of Virginians radical noodle Nov 2017 #100
NO, we won that is what matters.... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #90
D's won! NightWatcher Nov 2017 #7
They are liberals JI7 Nov 2017 #8
DAMN STRAIGHT Skittles Nov 2017 #25
Northam voted for Bush II twice...that is pretty moderate. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #91
Northam was not in politics then and said he was wrong. Periello was anti choice, and pro gun JI7 Nov 2017 #92
Perriello was endorsed by both Sanders and Warren and was viewed as to the left of Northam... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #123
We need to run candidates who match their states. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #9
EXACTLY nini Nov 2017 #21
Brad Sherman is mine. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #33
Yep, all politics is local. justiceischeap Nov 2017 #67
Very true treestar Nov 2017 #74
This moderate says fuck that shit GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #10
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2017 #17
Awesome treestar Nov 2017 #14
It's a victory for all of us. Yay! Squinch Nov 2017 #15
The only problem fallout87 Nov 2017 #26
moderate means someone's rights are bring trampled Skittles Nov 2017 #28
??? Cary Nov 2017 #31
that's moronic AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #57
no it isn't Skittles Nov 2017 #58
You're trying hard to pick a fight Cary Nov 2017 #62
That is silly...the Democratic Party is big tent...everyone gets a voice...some Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #93
He made other mistakes but we turned out Cary Nov 2017 #32
That's bs. Don't fall for rw framing. N/t FSogol Nov 2017 #38
A victory for DEMS & the nation. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #30
We probably could have taken more risk here Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #34
I don't live in Virginia Cary Nov 2017 #35
You don't live here, but think you know enough to declare FSogol Nov 2017 #39
You aren't me, yet you presume to tell me what I think. Cary Nov 2017 #40
Yoy typed "Score a victory for moderates" FSogol Nov 2017 #41
I could be wrong, but I think it's a reference to who refused R B Garr Nov 2017 #42
Yeah. But the OP , should not let them decide who gets labeled what JI7 Nov 2017 #43
I really think it was not about the candidates, themselves, but who R B Garr Nov 2017 #46
Northam is a moderate progressive...and my family hails from Virginian...and voted for Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #88
I could be wrong but I think my point was intentionally missed Cary Nov 2017 #44
Yes, it struck me as possibly intentional. R B Garr Nov 2017 #45
Thanks Cary Nov 2017 #47
I got it and I agree leftofcool Nov 2017 #55
They simply refuse to accept this is mostly a slightly left of center country despite Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #95
Northam won the primary end of story. Virginians voted and decided...Northam Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #84
Vote Democratic eh Cary...looks like lots of people agree with you....yay!!!!! Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #36
Woo hoo! Cary Nov 2017 #37
Yes...we all pulled together grass roots, moderates...I saw Krystal Ball Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #83
And yet the hoi polloi are still at it trying to spoil my glee Cary Nov 2017 #85
It just pisses me off. Nothing will ever please these folks. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #96
Maybe, however the decider was the Washington burbs college edu. so AlphaCharley Nov 2017 #48
Hell yeah! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #49
I know. Cary Nov 2017 #50
Please, everybody, can we just kiss and make up? raging moderate Nov 2017 #51
Are you addressing me? Cary Nov 2017 #52
Yes, vote Democratic! raging moderate Nov 2017 #64
Call me naive but I had no intention to provoke Cary Nov 2017 #68
It wasn't provocative...some were convinced Northam would lose and thus prove Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #97
Don't get me wrong... Cary Nov 2017 #125
kick Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #53
Terrific melman Nov 2017 #60
Some people need drama Cary Nov 2017 #63
You know what you're doing melman Nov 2017 #108
No, I'm an idiot. Cary Nov 2017 #115
Agreed but Phil and Ralph JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #65
Phil and Ralph are good with me Cary Nov 2017 #69
Try 1000 steps up! JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #71
11! Cary Nov 2017 #72
Ahem JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #73
It was my pleasure to vote for Phil... tallahasseedem Nov 2017 #107
Amen!!!! JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #129
I'd say about 60% of the electorate is "moderate" - huge group to try to attract. George II Nov 2017 #75
I'm with you on this. Most DEMOCRATS are moderates. Without them, the party fails. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #78
Or don't want to comprehend Cary Nov 2017 #86
We just aren't as noisy. Cary Nov 2017 #87
A victory for DEMOCRATS. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #77
Yawn Cary Nov 2017 #82
Let me know when you're over your bitterness. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #94
Seriously...There is no fracture...we lost 10 because some on the left attacked Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #103
You are spot on tallahasseedem Nov 2017 #109
It was a united effort and that is what we need... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #118
Oh JFC, what a BLATANT revision of history THIS is. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #111
Oh please... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #117
Also, If we continue to call for things we can't get (right now) and refuse to vote for imperfect Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #106
The legacy to our kids and grandkids is ALREADY a Republican one. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #112
Let's be negative Cary Nov 2017 #120
Yes it's all my fault. Cary Nov 2017 #127
FDR was almost 100 years ago...living in the past won't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #105
Vote Democratic! sheshe2 Nov 2017 #102
Amen sister!!!! Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #104
I am on a high today! sheshe2 Nov 2017 #110
Me too...my doom and gloom millenial said..."well Mom you were right...do you how how annoying Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #119
"do you know how annying that is" sheshe2 Nov 2017 #126
Big high 5 She! Cary Nov 2017 #114
Woot! sheshe2 Nov 2017 #128
Yeah Gothmog Nov 2017 #113
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