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maxsolomon

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97. I'm being honest

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 01:42 PM

Nov 2017

I told them outright: their OP is suspect.

DU has plowed this ground already. Exhaustively, divisively, for years. My ignore list has more DU members on it than this poster has posts.

I've come to agree with Gungeoneers in this respect: "Assault Weapons" means full autos, which are NOT available, thank Christ. The issue is semi-automatic firearms, and they're so widespread across the industry that they cannot be "banned". High-capacity magazines, sure. Bump stocks, sure.

The OP either knows this, or doesn't. Much of DU doesn't seem to.

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It's Time to Ban Assault Weapons. Civilians Don't Need Weapons of War [View all] dlk Nov 2017 OP

way past time. spanone Nov 2017 #1

Salon had an article a while back proposing a ban on gas-operated firearms. Girard442 Nov 2017 #2

Revolvers zipplewrath Nov 2017 #6

The "old six shooter" is limited to 6 rounds at a time. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #31

Point being zipplewrath Nov 2017 #35

Compared with a semi-automatic, a revolver is really not that fast. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #38

For a reason zipplewrath Nov 2017 #79

8 is less than 30 or 100. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #83

What first step zipplewrath Nov 2017 #85

Objecting to any first step is the favorite tactic of gun fanatics. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #86

And remove so-called assault weapons and the gun market will cool down dramatically. Hoyt Nov 2017 #46

You are slightly incorrect.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #33

The time was 1994 genxlib Nov 2017 #3

It was not a ban hack89 Nov 2017 #11

Agreed, manufacturers and the gun industry are greedy sleazeballs only interested in selling guns Hoyt Nov 2017 #48

Spirit of the law is BS hack89 Nov 2017 #50

When gunners care more about their guns than society, you are right. Hoyt Nov 2017 #63

ok. nt hack89 Nov 2017 #67

Hoyt... your main problem is that you feel your way through this issue. Adrahil Nov 2017 #61

Give me a lesson on what you think is so damn important about your gun obsession that Hoyt Nov 2017 #62

See? Adrahil Nov 2017 #64

And what about how guns work would you deem restrictable -- semi-autos, hicap mags, bump Hoyt Nov 2017 #68

THis.... Adrahil Nov 2017 #75

I agree with most of that, although not sure what a vast knowledge of guns has to do with Hoyt Nov 2017 #76

Alright! We're talking! Adrahil Nov 2017 #77

I hear you. I still believe guns marketed as tactical rifles, etc., are a problem. Hoyt Nov 2017 #78

I don't disagree with that, but... Adrahil Nov 2017 #80

Technical capabilities means we will be arguing about magazines vs. clips. Who cares, they are Hoyt Nov 2017 #81

The law cares.... that's my point. Adrahil Nov 2017 #82

If we ban magazines, the gun-humpers will buy belted ammunition. Screw em, just ban automatically Hoyt Nov 2017 #88

Okay... good luck with that... NT Adrahil Nov 2017 #89

One point I would like to add is that better Nov 2017 #98

While we sit here dicking around about nomenclature people are getting killed, gun manufacturers Hoyt Nov 2017 #99

I say let 'em go at it like they have been... Baconator Nov 2017 #96

Easier said than done. AWBs don't really do what you want them to do. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #4

Yep AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #7

Yep. fallout87 Nov 2017 #58

Honestly, I'm ready to ban all semi-automatics. NutmegYankee Nov 2017 #5

Hunters I knew as a kid HopeAgain Nov 2017 #54

Aikoaiko is spot on better Nov 2017 #8

My proposal on how to define what an assault weapon is Kaleva Nov 2017 #9

Well... better Nov 2017 #10

When looking at cartridges the size of a .308, you're getting into common hunting rounds Kaleva Nov 2017 #13

6.8 Grendel is a very popular AR -15 round hack89 Nov 2017 #14

No it would not because the case length is less then 2 inches Kaleva Nov 2017 #15

You are playing a fool's game hack89 Nov 2017 #18

There is no reason to invent anything Kaleva Nov 2017 #19

So what's the point? hack89 Nov 2017 #20

There's reasons why mass shooters typically don't go for the bigger guns Kaleva Nov 2017 #23

But 6.6 is not a bigger gun hack89 Nov 2017 #25

Well, yes it is. Kaleva Nov 2017 #26

Except there are plenty of 6.8 AR15 receivers on the market. hack89 Nov 2017 #28

What is the length of the case? Kaleva Nov 2017 #37

ok. hack89 Nov 2017 #41

The old AWB was easy to get around. My proposed definition is not. Kaleva Nov 2017 #43

It is easy to solve problems hack89 Nov 2017 #44

As far as my $.02 on how to define an assault rifle... better Nov 2017 #16

Actually, we are trying to define what an assault weapon is Kaleva Nov 2017 #21

To be fair better Nov 2017 #29

I've thought about magazine capacity Kaleva Nov 2017 #42

Those are some very good and compelling points better Nov 2017 #47

I've argued in favor of limiting magazine capacity for years in the gungeon Kaleva Nov 2017 #92

Sort of. I'm actually discussing qualifying an assault weapon on the basis of capacity. better Nov 2017 #93

IMO, going to a bigger cartridge in of itself reduces capacity Kaleva Nov 2017 #94

You are of course correct. better Nov 2017 #95

Welcome to DU maxsolomon Nov 2017 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author better Nov 2017 #22

You are not being honest to a new member ThoughtCriminal Nov 2017 #39

I'm being honest maxsolomon Nov 2017 #97

The only country on the planet with regular multiple mass shootings. oasis Nov 2017 #17

It was time to do it decades ago, but realistically it's not going to happen. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #24

it's time to ban all weapons I totally agree gopiscrap Nov 2017 #27

Combat weapons belong on the battlefield meow2u3 Nov 2017 #30

I dont think itll ever happen SirBrockington Nov 2017 #32

We need to think long-term on this. Whatever we do banning certain weapons may not payoff Hoyt Nov 2017 #52

Most restrictive gun state in country SirBrockington Nov 2017 #34

Never happen. The gunfucks WANT a war. They're praying for one. Aristus Nov 2017 #36

I respectfully disagree. better Nov 2017 #40

I think your proposals are very sensible. Aristus Nov 2017 #69

And now we have Infowars, Breitbart and Prison Planet to deal with. Initech Nov 2017 #49

Even if the "gubmint" came knocking door to door asking for their guns... Xolodno Nov 2017 #51

I agree - or more regulation, licensing, requirement to carry liability insurance OhioBlue Nov 2017 #45

There appears to be a complete lack of political will to do this on both sides. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #53

Posting of this nature MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #55

Hey, don't knock the educators! Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #59

I'm sorry but wouldn't your education MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #60

Here's the part I think you don't get: Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #65

You may continue with your educating MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #70

I have no problem making "assault weapons" illegal, but how would you get the thousands napi21 Nov 2017 #56

Stopping new production is a critical step. A few gun lovers are as law-abiding as Hoyt Nov 2017 #66

Gun Owners will have to be compensated for turning them in. Calista241 Nov 2017 #84

Why? It's just like investing in anything that goes bad. They made bad investment in lethal weapons. Hoyt Nov 2017 #87

The 4th amendment protects citizens from seizure. Calista241 Nov 2017 #90

I think gunners misinterpret the 4th Amendment, just like they do the 2nd. I don't have Hoyt Nov 2017 #91

They need to be banned completely. Doreen Nov 2017 #57

Way past time. Weapons of war belong locked up in an Armory guarded by actual soldiers. nt Hekate Nov 2017 #71

But how will gun nuts play out their Rambo fantasies? doodsaq Nov 2017 #72

X-box and play station have great first shooter games. Or join the military. kydo Nov 2017 #73

Cool idea. I do see lots of rhetorical points rolled into one post - got anything more specific? jmg257 Nov 2017 #74