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BainsBane

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30. More empty labels
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:06 PM
Nov 2017

as a way to say absolutely nothing. Throwing around labels isn't "standing for something." It's advertising that one has nothing of substance to say. But if serves the purpose of sowing division, and that is what counts. That the author of the article defines political ideology in terms of support for one politician is ironic to say the least.

I'll tell you what "the party lacks a clear message" means: the party refuses to make itself about white male privilege, and the issues and people it represents are nothing. Those "nothing" people won significant victories last night. A transgender woman defeated the author of the discriminatory bathroom bill. The first latinas were elected to the VA state legislature, and it was voters of color who made those victories possible. They don't believe their lives, their rights, and their interests are "nothing." Those are the "wedge issue," "identity politics" Americans we have been told are "centrist" and must be abandoned in order to promote the increased wealth of those who already earn more than 99.7% of the planet, which is what a household income of $100k a year is.

And because the party experienced some truly historic victories last night, we see this resurrection of an article from months ago. It certainly is telling.

It seems to me that people who claim the party stands for nothing ought to look in the mirror, because when an entire political discussion begins and ends with labels, that is nothing.

And Maine passed a Medicaid expansion resolution, which is of course utterly inconsequential because it isn't about Bernie Sanders. If people actually gave a shit about Medicare-for-all, they would be celebrating that win rather than reacting to Democratic victories by lashing out. Northam ran on a $15 minimum wage, once a litmus test and now "nothing." I submit it is not the people you and the author malign as "centrist" who stand for nothing.

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Let's wrap up the experimentation and get some clear slogans out there lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #1
:) Oh, our party platform contains FAR more and is FAR stronger. Hortensis Nov 2017 #18
Wow, awesome work. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #23
And those are just the headers. Take a look inside. Hortensis Nov 2017 #24
That's not a message zipplewrath Nov 2017 #27
If you know what we stand for, you won't need a catchphrase. Hortensis Nov 2017 #40
Yes! peggysue2 Nov 2017 #54
It's great for DUers to memorize the platform, but that does not in any way address the problem. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #74
Thank you it's already there!! 2016 Platform . When people try to say the party didn't / doesn't lunasun Nov 2017 #34
Brilliant, timely reply. sagesnow Nov 2017 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #73
Thank you. Hard to believe people choose a Party without reading the platform Wwcd Nov 2017 #50
... mia Nov 2017 #22
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #72
I call bullshit. murielm99 Nov 2017 #2
We DO lack a clear message. mia Nov 2017 #3
Who said this is about Bernie? murielm99 Nov 2017 #6
I made it clear that I do not speak for all Democrats murielm99 Nov 2017 #7
FWIW, I did not see you claiming to "speak for all Democrats" Cary Nov 2017 #29
Here's our message. Couldn't be clearer. Hortensis Nov 2017 #19
Thank you! mia Nov 2017 #33
Hortensis, you did not have to murielm99 Nov 2017 #60
The author of your article made it about Bernie BainsBane Nov 2017 #31
Mia, 70 million Democrats KNOW what we stand for Hortensis Nov 2017 #36
Perhaps I don't know enough. I'm a Democrat to the core, and will vote accordingly. mia Nov 2017 #46
You don't get it. No one drives principled people away. Hortensis Nov 2017 #48
Do you? mia Nov 2017 #51
I'm sorry. I read one of your messages and not the others, Hortensis Nov 2017 #55
Thank you, Hortensis, for taking the time to read my other messages. mia Nov 2017 #63
I hate that I did that. I'll remember yours also. Hortensis Nov 2017 #64
No we don't. We have a message ...just some want a different one for some unknown reason. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #68
Thank you! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #4
Some Democrats do believe we have an unclear message. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #5
Then they need to go educate themselves. murielm99 Nov 2017 #9
Perhaps Hillary's platform wasn't clearly articulated or was misconstrued by the opposition. mia Nov 2017 #12
Have you actually read anything that was on her website? murielm99 Nov 2017 #58
There is as Democratic platform...and Hillary was a wonk...she wrote it all down and Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #69
Sure. I'm not here to say what was good, bad, inconsistent about HRC. That's the past. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #20
+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #10
OK - what is the clear message? Cosmocat Nov 2017 #14
Google is your friend. murielm99 Nov 2017 #59
Your concession is noted Cosmocat Nov 2017 #61
This lifelong Democrat believes we DO lack a clear message shanny Nov 2017 #25
We have an expression amongst us trial lawyers... Cary Nov 2017 #32
It really is THAT simple. Vote and we win. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #52
I don't agree....sound like a strange concern after yesterday. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70
Sweet fucking Jesus. LexVegas Nov 2017 #8
The victory last night BainsBane Nov 2017 #35
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #11
Both sides do it? Cary Nov 2017 #39
No clear message? Did you ever read this? George II Nov 2017 #13
Which is? Cosmocat Nov 2017 #15
You can lead the horse to water. You can not make him drink. SandyZ Nov 2017 #16
Agree, but some of the horses were so thirsty that they missed the message drank the kool-aid. mia Nov 2017 #17
From my point of view it is very simple, very clear. I do not understand the people that argue SandyZ Nov 2017 #21
I think the message can be as succinct as follows: Garrett78 Nov 2017 #26
I'll take the Democratic Party that kicked ass in Virginia last night. Paladin Nov 2017 #28
Me too...I don't understand this...it seems as if some are disappointed that Democrats won yesterday Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #71
More empty labels BainsBane Nov 2017 #30
Where does it say that "the party stands for nothing"? mia Nov 2017 #43
"What Do Centrist Democrats Even Stand For?" BainsBane Nov 2017 #56
Are you saying that "progressives" tend to overlook some rights & concerns associated with poverty? mia Nov 2017 #66
God I hope so.... bluecollar2 Nov 2017 #37
Its interesting to me Eko Nov 2017 #41
Dems have made, are making & will continue to make our own narrative, thank you very much! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #42
You mean you won't take talking points from the New Republic? NCTraveler Nov 2017 #45
Yep, I took their message down and will call them on February 30th of next year! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #47
New Republic is full of ratfuckers. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #44
Oh Lord. The article from sept 2017 reads like a Sanders promo. Wwcd Nov 2017 #49
You're welcome. mia Nov 2017 #53
What a crappy, divisive article. Full of bullshit. Why would anyone post it, unless the Squinch Nov 2017 #57
This is from almost 2 months ago JI7 Nov 2017 #62
The author, Graham Vyse, has written one divisive article after another. SharonClark Nov 2017 #65
No...same big tent party always... we just have to pull together after a primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #67
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