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frazzled

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19. That is a highly disputed study
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017

One cannot deny that Voter ID laws deter voters, especially minority voters, and it probably had some effect; but so did voluntary non-participation.

Baldwin’s claim is based on a study by a left-leaning group, Priorities USA. Election experts have widely criticized the report, but 0ther Democrats, including Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), have made claims based on the report.

The study looks at turnout in Wisconsin and Minnesota, which does not have a voter ID law. It finds that Wisconsin had lower turnout among nonwhite communities, while Minnesota did not. The study concludes that “if turnout had increased by the national no-change average, over 200,000 more voters would have voted in Wisconsin in 2016.”

But correlation isn’t always causation, and the study does not offer evidence of causation.

One of the main criticisms of this study is that it attributes all 200,000 votes to Wisconsin’s voter ID law. Yet it’s not that simple. While the law likely had some impact on deterring potential voters, there are other things that may have affected the lower turnout.

For example, many voters in Wisconsin decided to sit out this election. There was a lack of enthusiasm among voters for Clinton or Trump, and some may have believed Trump didn’t have a chance at winning Wisconsin, PolitiFact Wisconsin wrote. PolitiFact Wisconsin also pointed out that 2016 turnout in the state was higher than in 2008, before the voter ID law.

Rick Hasen, an elections expert at the University of California at Irvine, noted that black voters in Milwaukee, which experienced a dramatic decline in turnout in 2016, were not motivated by Clinton the same way they were for Obama in 2012 or 2008. Moreover, there was a general decline in the black vote in 2016, compared with 2012 or 2008, in both states that had voter ID laws and states that didn’t.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/05/30/do-voter-id-laws-help-or-hurt-voter-turnout/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.0d3872d7e4a5

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So voting is important? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #1
I saw that one I completely agree ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #2
This is why Rs are passing unconstitutional voting laws, to suppress those 69 voters. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #3
But its also all the people who decide to stay home frazzled Nov 2017 #6
Way more people were legislated from voting in Wisconsin than Trump's margin. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #10
Its not a fact frazzled Nov 2017 #11
Who needs "exact" numbers for factual certainty? L. Coyote Nov 2017 #12
That is a highly disputed study frazzled Nov 2017 #19
I tend to agree NewJeffCT Nov 2017 #29
Mandatory Voting. spike jones Nov 2017 #14
Mandatory Voting, don't have to have a fine or show up-Its a much fairer system & hard to fraud Sunlei Nov 2017 #25
A better idea might be making election day a mandatory holiday thucythucy Nov 2017 #30
Ditto iluvtennis Nov 2017 #18
Even in solid blue states it's important. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #4
11 months of hell we have been through bdamomma Nov 2017 #20
The talley is different on the official state site Yonnie3 Nov 2017 #5
Every. Vote. Counts. TeamPooka Nov 2017 #7
Unfortunately this result has been updated and the republican now leads by 115 onenote Nov 2017 #8
They found 100 additional votes for Hugo somewhere Ezior Nov 2017 #9
But there is still this Roland99 Nov 2017 #15
Slippery little buggers, those Republican votes. Girard442 Nov 2017 #22
Yeah. Interesting the two sets of ballots were found when they needed them Roland99 Nov 2017 #24
Pinned Hell, make it a billboard! BBG Nov 2017 #13
It's going to a recount. progressoid Nov 2017 #16
It should be pinned - absolutely. cwydro Nov 2017 #17
It's 68 people, not 69...but the result is the same. That's amazing!!!! A recount? nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #21
68 fewer D votes would've resulted in a tie. It took the 69th.... lastlib Nov 2017 #27
Then I would say thanks to that ONE D who didn't stay home. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #31
K&R! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #23
That lead evaporated today and Hugo is now leading. Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #26
Both parties are the same, no point voting, it's all rigged anyway, blah blah blah IronLionZion Nov 2017 #28
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