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Tobin S.

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Fri Nov 10, 2017, 03:39 PM Nov 2017

I don't know if I'm a devil or an angel around here right now. [View all]

But here is something I've been looking at for a little while now. Hear me out please. Make sure you read through to the end. There are a lot of people who simply don't vote because they feel like they've been left behind on economic issues. The huge disparity in income stratification we have in this country is a very big problem. Along with climate change, this should be one of the biggest issues in America right now. There are wealthy and powerful Democrats who've been talking about this for a while: Robert Reich and Nick Hanauer to name a couple. Some very wealthy people are actually calling on us to tax them more right now, because they know this is getting out of hand. And when income stratification gets out of hand you start to get political instability. You start to get shit like Trump. It's not just for the benefit of the rest of us that some of these rich people are talking like this. It's also enlightened self interest.

This wonderful diversity we have going on in the party with minorities starting to claim a bigger stake in the political process is ultimately good for everyone. But for many Americans those just aren't their kind of issues. Nothing wrong with that stuff, but for low income straight white people, for example, it simply doesn't help them where they need help the most. So if you continue in that direction without addressing the issue of economic security and social policy that helps poor and working class people in every demographic, it's really not something you can build a long term strategy on for continued success into the future. It's good, but we need to address these economic issues along with that stuff. The issue should be front and center.

One third of the population living in poverty. Poor and working class people from all demographics making up the majority of the population. The middle class shrinking and people continually falling out of it. Even upper middle class people are not completely economically secure if they happen to develop a severe medical issue. These things absolutely have to be addressed or this country is just going to keep getting crazier.

The victories earlier this week are a welcome and refreshing sign. I also know that powerful people in the Democratic Party are aware of the problems I just spoke of, and want to address them. In my view, if the politicians we have keep speaking on these economic issues, more and more people will start to come back around to the Democratic Party. I want to urge you guys not to demonize ordinary people in any demographic including Trump supporters anywhere the Democratic Party is represented, including DU. I know I've done it, too, and I'm here to tell you that was wrong. It might make you guys feel better, but it ultimately doesn't help anyone, and actually hurts your cause. It's okay to cut down the regressive politicians, but work to lift the people up. Working class white men should be allies of working class black men. Most of them understand that. They really do. Some of them might not be up to par on your social issues, but when it comes to poverty and economic hardship they understand completely.

One of the most important lessons of Obama was that when he spoke of the American people he always spoke inclusively. He did his best to make it clear to us all that he valued every one of us whether we agreed with him or not. He was a true man of the people. He never cut down ordinary Americans even when it was clear about how hated he was by some of them. He is a shining example of what a Democrat should be. He served two terms despite the fact that the most powerful and wealthy people in America were working their hardest to defeat him, and despite the incredible gridlock his last 6 years in office. He won my home state of Indiana in the election for his first term. Yeah, lots to learn from Obama.

In my sig line you'll see a quote from Obama on what is my most important issue: climate change. I put that one ahead of everything including the issues that benefit me in a more selfish way. I deeply admire Obama. I'm 45 years old and he is clearly the best president of my lifetime even though he was hamstrung by Congress for most of his time in office. I'm a working class white man.

When I came out here with that thread the other day about how I felt you guys were slandering and scapegoating working class white men, that didn't come out of nowhere. It's been festering a long time. Then when I called you guys on it, over the first hour the thread was up it looked to me as if you guys had this impression that the Fourth Reich was coming for you guys and it was comprised of working class white men who had allegedly given you Trump. It was very painful, and after I exited that thread with my last comment in it, I haven't been able to go back and look in it even though it got all kinds of recs and ended up on the front page.

So one last time before I let it go. It looks like 33% of Trump voters were working class. Not all of them were men, of course. I don't know the stats for Hillary in that category, but I'm sure there's a significant amount of working class white men who voted for her, including me. Then when you consider that 40% of eligible voters didn't vote in that election, most of them probably poor and working class people...well, the working class white man Fourth Reich doesn't look like it's taken hold quite as strong as some of you might have been thinking, or gave me the impression that you were thinking.

Poor and working class white people have been maligned for a long time in this country by powerful, rich, and famous people. There are some incredibly offensive stereotypes about them that freely get floated around the internet and popular culture, that if they were said about any other group of people in this country by someone in the public eye it would permanently damage their reputation. But it gets a pass when they do it to us. I'll go get an example of it if you want me to that was generated by a wealthy east coast Democrat. When I see stuff like that, and I see it a lot, it hurts my confidence in you guys. The people on the right do it, too. Do you think Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy are doing us any favors? Do you know who is in the audience at their Blue Collar Comedy shows? It's not people like me. Even if I wanted to go I can't the free time or the cash together for a ticket. Those are caricatures that they present in their shows. They are not accurate representations of who poor and working class people are. But these guys got rich on us talking that shit at our expense. You might see working class guys who like them and think they are funny. It's in the same category of a thing like women voting for Trump.

Poor and working class white people are essentially powerless just like any other demographic in that income category, and they continually get hammered by social and economic forces. It's not something to be taken lightly and made fun of, and it certainly isn't their fault- even if some of them are so confused by what's going in the world that they'll vote for a Republican. These people are not your enemies, and they need your representation even if you don't get their vote. Obama knew that quite clearly. And being the most powerful man on the planet he had the kindness and compassion not to punch down on people even if they didn't support him, unlike some other guy currently residing in the White House. Obama still represented these people and was looking out for them.

You guys might have noticed that I write well. I have a bachelor's degree in business from Indiana University. It used to be a very marketable degree. I went back to school when I was about 40 to finish that degree. I took 3 classes a semester year round for 2.5 years while working 50 hours a week at my truck driving gig. People in America used to admire that kind of hard work, dedication, and desire to get ahead. Guess what? I graduated about three years ago and I'm still driving a truck for a living because I cannot find gainful employment anywhere else. I now have all this school debt hanging over my head, and I had to file for bankruptcy a few years back which of course did not absolve the school debt. This is where people like me are coming from. Old school economic issues. Not petty social vendettas.

I'll let it go now.

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What working people want most vlyons Nov 2017 #1
Yes. And dumping working minority Democrats--betraying the beliefs Hortensis Nov 2017 #82
How come they don't vote Democratic candidates in treestar Nov 2017 #99
I read to the end to read this insult "petty social agendas" boston bean Nov 2017 #2
I'm not dismissing you, and that's not an insult. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #4
Probably not the best battle cry for a white male to be making. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #19
You guys thought the entire working class wax coming after you Tobin S. Nov 2017 #25
"You guys thought the entire working class wax coming after you" NCTraveler Nov 2017 #26
That 's been clearly expressed Tobin S. Nov 2017 #31
You guys NCTraveler Nov 2017 #35
I would. This forum has a bunch of working class and Hortensis Nov 2017 #89
Where did that come from? It didn't. kcr Nov 2017 #38
A majority of working class people vote for Democrats, and have for a long time. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #50
The way you said it suggested you think Dem social issues are "petty vendettas". moriah Nov 2017 #45
Yet men are coming after us everyday. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #56
So much for "letting it go now." ehrnst Nov 2017 #117
Yep. Same old same old. Squinch Nov 2017 #18
You all thought the working class was coming after you Tobin S. Nov 2017 #36
Where you dreamed that shit up from is a mystery to me. I am a member of the working class. Squinch Nov 2017 #39
We've been getting the beat down for a long time Tobin S. Nov 2017 #48
Nobody is saying all working class white men voted for Trump. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #51
Can you honestly tell me that the WWC voters who radical noodle Nov 2017 #70
Working class white men did give YOU Trump(R). As did the rest of white men and women. Squinch Nov 2017 #78
+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #84
Spot on. I love this. brush Nov 2017 #126
Where have you been? These issues are continually discussed here on DU. brush Nov 2017 #3
Go back to the thread that originated all this Tobin S. Nov 2017 #5
Are you not getting that DUers consider the one-third of white working class males who voted... brush Nov 2017 #7
It was the case in that thread up untll I exited Tobin S. Nov 2017 #8
You call that hostile? I call it trying to get through to you that you're misreading things here... brush Nov 2017 #17
I'm in the same class Tobin... Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #22
I Read That Thread ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #72
Have you ever gone canvassing door to door? frazzled Nov 2017 #6
I've been listening. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #13
You guys frazzled Nov 2017 #28
People with no civic consciousness at all treestar Nov 2017 #96
I want to add what I see as an apathy for some to not vote or discuss issues................. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #120
Epic rant. Thank you! I agree with you 100%. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #9
Here's the piece that you don't seem to get. Concentrating on raising up the working class pnwmom Nov 2017 #10
Oh i get it Tobin S. Nov 2017 #14
You said the economic issues "should be front and center." That's not the same. pnwmom Nov 2017 #16
Not all low income people are men Tobin S. Nov 2017 #20
But fixing economic issues DOES NOT automatically raise everyone up. pnwmom Nov 2017 #23
You have to fix the policy Tobin S. Nov 2017 #29
fdr's new deal created the first saftey net for all citizens questionseverything Nov 2017 #30
No, it didn't. The Social Security Act excluded about half the jobs in the American economy. pnwmom Nov 2017 #32
umm i thought as dems we backed protecting ss? questionseverything Nov 2017 #33
I'm not trashing SS. I'm saying that the benefits of the New Deal weren't shared equally. pnwmom Nov 2017 #40
Yep. Just like the GI Bill didn't apply to everyone equally. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #52
everyones boat does get lifted..perhaps not equally but lifted indeed questionseverything Nov 2017 #62
That's not enough. Women and minorities won't be satisfied with being the afterthought anymore.nt pnwmom Nov 2017 #64
ussually its the women and minorities that care most about hungry children questionseverything Nov 2017 #66
And I'm telling you that economic issues can't be prioritized "front and center" pnwmom Nov 2017 #68
No. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #67
You can support that premise with evidence rather than bumper stickers, yes? LanternWaste Nov 2017 #132
can't believe i am catching shit for defending the new deal questionseverything Nov 2017 #133
The point is that it took civil rights for certain people to benefit JI7 Nov 2017 #44
Them JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #47
The huge economic disparities are enabled by social injustices/bigotry. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #53
All the 'economic justice' sheshe2 Nov 2017 #58
It makes a lot more sense for working class whites to get with the times, which means understanding WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #11
I'm with the times Tobin S. Nov 2017 #15
Thanks for voting in your interest and in mine :) Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #24
Oh, I thought you were speaking generally. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #27
People are complex, and broad brushes are just about useless. kwassa Nov 2017 #12
anytime a person says ALL of any one group is anything questionseverything Nov 2017 #34
Petty social vendettas? mcar Nov 2017 #21
Our petty social issues are under severe attack right now. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #37
They ate NOT powerless. They used their power to help make Trump president JI7 Nov 2017 #41
They say NFL stands for 'ni@@%&s for life ' JI7 Nov 2017 #42
They also think Roy Moore is a real jem... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #59
hey sheshe2 bdamomma Nov 2017 #127
Republicans know full well that pushing people back on their heels applegrove Nov 2017 #43
Thought provoking post. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #93
Tell it to Johnstown, PA. NT Adrahil Nov 2017 #46
The economic disparity is enabled by racism, sexism and xenophobia. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #49
+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #75
I think this is the way to look at it. Eko Nov 2017 #54
Unfortunately nuance isn't the internet's strong suit mythology Nov 2017 #55
I understand where you are coming from. The divisions need to stop. AJT Nov 2017 #57
Well... I know. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #60
... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #61
Good One Me. Nov 2017 #81
The .1% love the peons fighting among themselves. It keeps the focus off of the increasing income jalan48 Nov 2017 #63
it's not black people voting to take away rights from whites JI7 Nov 2017 #65
They? One anecdote. shanny Nov 2017 #85
they? yes heaven05 Nov 2017 #121
You got me thinking. qwlauren35 Nov 2017 #69
Good post. brer cat Nov 2017 #73
+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #74
Very well said. cwydro Nov 2017 #76
Wonderful post! n/t snpsmom Nov 2017 #77
After your post, nothing more needs to be said. Squinch Nov 2017 #79
+1 nt PunkinPi Nov 2017 #80
Beautifully written! n/t crosinski Nov 2017 #86
Yes. This. Exactly. Thank you! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #88
For the sake of context, you may want to include the original post. mia Nov 2017 #98
"I know you don't mean to be arrogant", mia Nov 2017 #94
Oh GOSH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! qwlauren35 Nov 2017 #124
The Tobin doth protest too much, you guys. betsuni Nov 2017 #71
So much hatred here at DU, and KPN Nov 2017 #83
We ARE WORKING PEOPLE, KPN, committed above all Hortensis Nov 2017 #92
I appreciate your effort to provide KPN Nov 2017 #101
I confess I didn't read most of this passionate stuff. Hortensis Nov 2017 #105
I understand. There IS a huge KPN Nov 2017 #106
KPN, the Democratic Party has amazingly few real failings. Hortensis Nov 2017 #109
H, the Democratic Party did not fail me, nor do I think that. KPN Nov 2017 #129
Yes, I should have said the problems Democrats are being Hortensis Nov 2017 #130
Republicans don't have solutions for WWC issues beside feel-good-now-racism & religion un-freedom, Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #87
The media helped to promulgate "the big lie" in 2016 and continues to this day. lapucelle Nov 2017 #90
This huge lie is a huge clue to just how big the infiltration of Hortensis Nov 2017 #91
oh!!!! heaven05 Nov 2017 #95
Consider this Skidmore Nov 2017 #97
You're neither, Tobin. mia Nov 2017 #100
Well, it's my issue and I come from a working class family DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #102
Well said! mcar Nov 2017 #118
Progressive white working class males are some of the best. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #103
if more people voted Mosby Nov 2017 #104
What are "petty social vendettas" ? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #107
Yeah, that hit me wrong too. cwydro Nov 2017 #111
I would like to know what they are. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #112
Ima guess all of us annoying gay people, women, and of course, the Afam community. cwydro Nov 2017 #113
The author of this thread really needs to answer DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #114
Im not going to hold my breath. cwydro Nov 2017 #115
I come from poor working class ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #108
Tobin S. If you could put a new plank in the DNC platform, what would it be? crosinski Nov 2017 #110
Yeah, you'll "Let it go now." ehrnst Nov 2017 #116
Yes, the doubling down is disturbing. cwydro Nov 2017 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2017 #119
Are you Tobin Smith? yardwork Nov 2017 #122
Don't get suckered into the language of others. hunter Nov 2017 #125
Will there be more in this series ? I am assuming so since it ends with you "letting it go now." lunasun Nov 2017 #128
Idiots trivialize social equality and concerns as petty LanternWaste Nov 2017 #131
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