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Squinch

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39. Where you dreamed that shit up from is a mystery to me. I am a member of the working class.

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 07:09 PM

Nov 2017

The white men who voted for Trump? Yes. They were a majority of white men. And yes, all the data we have tells us they voted on the basis of their sexism and racism. And yes. I get that our acknowledging that hurts your feelings.

Two things: first, it's the truth, so we'll talk about it. Second, if it doesn't apply to you it doesn't apply to you. A majority of white women voted for Trump. That's a fact. I am a white woman. People here often generalize and say that white women voted for Trump. I am not so self-involved that I feel the need to demand they stop doing that. It doesn't apply to me, so it doesn't bother me.

This demand from many sides that we must hand-wring over how we discuss your demographic became tiresome a long time ago.

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I don't know if I'm a devil or an angel around here right now. [View all] Tobin S. Nov 2017 OP

What working people want most vlyons Nov 2017 #1

Yes. And dumping working minority Democrats--betraying the beliefs Hortensis Nov 2017 #82

How come they don't vote Democratic candidates in treestar Nov 2017 #99

I read to the end to read this insult "petty social agendas" boston bean Nov 2017 #2

I'm not dismissing you, and that's not an insult. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #4

Probably not the best battle cry for a white male to be making. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #19

You guys thought the entire working class wax coming after you Tobin S. Nov 2017 #25

"You guys thought the entire working class wax coming after you" NCTraveler Nov 2017 #26

That 's been clearly expressed Tobin S. Nov 2017 #31

You guys NCTraveler Nov 2017 #35

I would. This forum has a bunch of working class and Hortensis Nov 2017 #89

Where did that come from? It didn't. kcr Nov 2017 #38

A majority of working class people vote for Democrats, and have for a long time. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #50

The way you said it suggested you think Dem social issues are "petty vendettas". moriah Nov 2017 #45

Yet men are coming after us everyday. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #56

So much for "letting it go now." ehrnst Nov 2017 #117

Yep. Same old same old. Squinch Nov 2017 #18

You all thought the working class was coming after you Tobin S. Nov 2017 #36

Where you dreamed that shit up from is a mystery to me. I am a member of the working class. Squinch Nov 2017 #39

We've been getting the beat down for a long time Tobin S. Nov 2017 #48

Nobody is saying all working class white men voted for Trump. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #51

Can you honestly tell me that the WWC voters who radical noodle Nov 2017 #70

Working class white men did give YOU Trump(R). As did the rest of white men and women. Squinch Nov 2017 #78

+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #84

Spot on. I love this. brush Nov 2017 #126

Where have you been? These issues are continually discussed here on DU. brush Nov 2017 #3

Go back to the thread that originated all this Tobin S. Nov 2017 #5

Are you not getting that DUers consider the one-third of white working class males who voted... brush Nov 2017 #7

It was the case in that thread up untll I exited Tobin S. Nov 2017 #8

You call that hostile? I call it trying to get through to you that you're misreading things here... brush Nov 2017 #17

I'm in the same class Tobin... Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #22

I Read That Thread ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #72

Have you ever gone canvassing door to door? frazzled Nov 2017 #6

I've been listening. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #13

You guys frazzled Nov 2017 #28

People with no civic consciousness at all treestar Nov 2017 #96

I want to add what I see as an apathy for some to not vote or discuss issues................. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #120

Epic rant. Thank you! I agree with you 100%. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #9

Here's the piece that you don't seem to get. Concentrating on raising up the working class pnwmom Nov 2017 #10

Oh i get it Tobin S. Nov 2017 #14

You said the economic issues "should be front and center." That's not the same. pnwmom Nov 2017 #16

Not all low income people are men Tobin S. Nov 2017 #20

But fixing economic issues DOES NOT automatically raise everyone up. pnwmom Nov 2017 #23

You have to fix the policy Tobin S. Nov 2017 #29

fdr's new deal created the first saftey net for all citizens questionseverything Nov 2017 #30

No, it didn't. The Social Security Act excluded about half the jobs in the American economy. pnwmom Nov 2017 #32

umm i thought as dems we backed protecting ss? questionseverything Nov 2017 #33

I'm not trashing SS. I'm saying that the benefits of the New Deal weren't shared equally. pnwmom Nov 2017 #40

Yep. Just like the GI Bill didn't apply to everyone equally. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #52

everyones boat does get lifted..perhaps not equally but lifted indeed questionseverything Nov 2017 #62

That's not enough. Women and minorities won't be satisfied with being the afterthought anymore.nt pnwmom Nov 2017 #64

ussually its the women and minorities that care most about hungry children questionseverything Nov 2017 #66

And I'm telling you that economic issues can't be prioritized "front and center" pnwmom Nov 2017 #68

No. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #67

You can support that premise with evidence rather than bumper stickers, yes? LanternWaste Nov 2017 #132

can't believe i am catching shit for defending the new deal questionseverything Nov 2017 #133

The point is that it took civil rights for certain people to benefit JI7 Nov 2017 #44

Them JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #47

The huge economic disparities are enabled by social injustices/bigotry. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #53

All the 'economic justice' sheshe2 Nov 2017 #58

It makes a lot more sense for working class whites to get with the times, which means understanding WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #11

I'm with the times Tobin S. Nov 2017 #15

Thanks for voting in your interest and in mine :) Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #24

Oh, I thought you were speaking generally. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #27

People are complex, and broad brushes are just about useless. kwassa Nov 2017 #12

anytime a person says ALL of any one group is anything questionseverything Nov 2017 #34

Petty social vendettas? mcar Nov 2017 #21

Our petty social issues are under severe attack right now. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #37

They ate NOT powerless. They used their power to help make Trump president JI7 Nov 2017 #41

They say NFL stands for 'ni@@%&s for life ' JI7 Nov 2017 #42

They also think Roy Moore is a real jem... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #59

hey sheshe2 bdamomma Nov 2017 #127

Republicans know full well that pushing people back on their heels applegrove Nov 2017 #43

Thought provoking post. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #93

Tell it to Johnstown, PA. NT Adrahil Nov 2017 #46

The economic disparity is enabled by racism, sexism and xenophobia. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #49

+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #75

I think this is the way to look at it. Eko Nov 2017 #54

Unfortunately nuance isn't the internet's strong suit mythology Nov 2017 #55

I understand where you are coming from. The divisions need to stop. AJT Nov 2017 #57

Well... I know. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #60

... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #61

Good One Me. Nov 2017 #81

The .1% love the peons fighting among themselves. It keeps the focus off of the increasing income jalan48 Nov 2017 #63

it's not black people voting to take away rights from whites JI7 Nov 2017 #65

They? One anecdote. shanny Nov 2017 #85

they? yes heaven05 Nov 2017 #121

You got me thinking. qwlauren35 Nov 2017 #69

Good post. brer cat Nov 2017 #73

+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #74

Very well said. cwydro Nov 2017 #76

Wonderful post! n/t snpsmom Nov 2017 #77

After your post, nothing more needs to be said. Squinch Nov 2017 #79

+1 nt PunkinPi Nov 2017 #80

Beautifully written! n/t crosinski Nov 2017 #86

Yes. This. Exactly. Thank you! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #88

For the sake of context, you may want to include the original post. mia Nov 2017 #98

"I know you don't mean to be arrogant", mia Nov 2017 #94

Oh GOSH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! qwlauren35 Nov 2017 #124

The Tobin doth protest too much, you guys. betsuni Nov 2017 #71

So much hatred here at DU, and KPN Nov 2017 #83

We ARE WORKING PEOPLE, KPN, committed above all Hortensis Nov 2017 #92

I appreciate your effort to provide KPN Nov 2017 #101

I confess I didn't read most of this passionate stuff. Hortensis Nov 2017 #105

I understand. There IS a huge KPN Nov 2017 #106

KPN, the Democratic Party has amazingly few real failings. Hortensis Nov 2017 #109

H, the Democratic Party did not fail me, nor do I think that. KPN Nov 2017 #129

Yes, I should have said the problems Democrats are being Hortensis Nov 2017 #130

Republicans don't have solutions for WWC issues beside feel-good-now-racism & religion un-freedom, Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #87

The media helped to promulgate "the big lie" in 2016 and continues to this day. lapucelle Nov 2017 #90

This huge lie is a huge clue to just how big the infiltration of Hortensis Nov 2017 #91

oh!!!! heaven05 Nov 2017 #95

Consider this Skidmore Nov 2017 #97

You're neither, Tobin. mia Nov 2017 #100

Well, it's my issue and I come from a working class family DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #102

Well said! mcar Nov 2017 #118

Progressive white working class males are some of the best. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #103

if more people voted Mosby Nov 2017 #104

What are "petty social vendettas" ? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #107

Yeah, that hit me wrong too. cwydro Nov 2017 #111

I would like to know what they are. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #112

Ima guess all of us annoying gay people, women, and of course, the Afam community. cwydro Nov 2017 #113

The author of this thread really needs to answer DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #114

Im not going to hold my breath. cwydro Nov 2017 #115

I come from poor working class ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #108

Tobin S. If you could put a new plank in the DNC platform, what would it be? crosinski Nov 2017 #110

Yeah, you'll "Let it go now." ehrnst Nov 2017 #116

Yes, the doubling down is disturbing. cwydro Nov 2017 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2017 #119

Are you Tobin Smith? yardwork Nov 2017 #122

Don't get suckered into the language of others. hunter Nov 2017 #125

Will there be more in this series ? I am assuming so since it ends with you "letting it go now." lunasun Nov 2017 #128

Idiots trivialize social equality and concerns as petty LanternWaste Nov 2017 #131