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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
53. Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson, considered the founder of the Democratic Party,
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jul 2012

was a corporatist?

Although I understand and agree with you to some degree, I believe you missed some history here. I'm also disappointed with the way conservative DLC/Third Way corporatists have taken over the Party, and think that corporatists have had way too much malevolent influence on the Democratic Party in the past. But in the grand scheme of things, the Democratic Party has, generally, been the political organization that has acted on behalf of the people to maintain our rights and increase opportunities for our well-being. Republicans would have long ago sold the 99% to the highest bidder if it were not for Democratic Party opposition to them.

Jefferson is considered to be the founder or the Democratic Party and the ideology of the Democratic Party.

If you wish to argue that Jefferson was a corporatist, then I will not be able to take what you post seriously anymore.

Jefferson-Jackson Day

Democratic Party

The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Democratic-Republican Party. The party favored states' rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank and wealthy, moneyed interests. The Democratic-Republican Party ascended to power in the election of 1800.
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The Democratic Party traces its origins to the inspiration of Democratic-Republican Party, founded by Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and other influential opponents of the Federalists in 1792. That party also inspired the Whigs and modern Republicans. Organizationally, the modern Democratic Party truly arose in the 1830s, with the election of Andrew Jackson. Since the division of the Republican Party in the election of 1912, it has gradually positioned itself to the left of the Republican Party on economic and social issues. Until the period following the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964—which was championed by a Democratic president but faced lower Democratic than Republican support in Congress—the Democratic Party was primarily a coalition of two parties divided by region. Southern Democrats were typically given high conservative ratings by the American Conservative Union while northern Democrats were typically given very liberal ratings. Southern Democrats were a core bloc of the bipartisan conservative coalition which lasted through the Reagan-era. The economically activist philosophy of Franklin D. Roosevelt, which has strongly influenced American liberalism, has shaped much of the party's economic agenda since 1932, and served to tie the two regional factions of the party together until the late 1960s. In fact, Roosevelt's New Deal coalition usually controlled the national government until the 1970s.


Andrew Jackson

The 1830–1850 period later became known as the era of Jacksonian democracy.[1]

Jackson was nicknamed "Old Hickory" because of his toughness and aggressive personality; he fought in duels, some fatal to his opponents. He was a rich slaveholder, who appealed to the common men of the United States, and fought politically against what he denounced as a closed, undemocratic aristocracy. He expanded the spoils system during his presidency to strengthen his political base.

....Historians acknowledge his protection of popular democracy and individual liberty for United States citizens, and criticize him for his support for slavery and for his role in Indian removal.


The Democratic Party is not the party of saints, but it is the only major political organization that has consistently supported , to some degree, the rights of the 99% over the greed of the 1%.

Yeh, recently...I agree with you, not as nearly much as they should be. That's why Occupy came into being as a tangible entity.

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There is a reason the Occupy forum was created. randome Jul 2012 #1
Why? This is a topic that is of general interest. white_wolf Jul 2012 #2
The reason the Occupy forum was created was because of last year. randome Jul 2012 #5
Cop-out. Most subjects are divisive, most that are not aren't going to drive any dialog. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #8
Absolutely incorrect. OWS is the most popular topic on DU and the forum was created sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #30
The OWS forum was not created for the reasons you just gave. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #33
Lame, and disingenuous, attempt at hiding the truth. nt Zorra Jul 2012 #3
Oh yes, I am so afraid of the truth. randome Jul 2012 #4
Hi Randome, imagine meeting you in yet another OWS thread! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #29
That's what I thought of the OP. pintobean Jul 2012 #34
I'm shocked! nt Zorra Jul 2012 #49
Why would an OP about one of the most popular topics on DU not belong here? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #28
Not being part of your black and white cartoon world hack89 Jul 2012 #6
Getting Dems elected is definitely a good thing. Zorra Jul 2012 #7
I think it is less that Dems want OWS to fail hack89 Jul 2012 #9
Are you kidding? OWS has totally changed the game. Zalatix Jul 2012 #10
And all the politicians promptly co-opted that message hack89 Jul 2012 #11
Oh for crying out loud. Read and be informed. Zalatix Jul 2012 #12
So a self congratulatory puff piece on a progressive web site hack89 Jul 2012 #13
Let me guess, you'll spin doctor this away, too? Zalatix Jul 2012 #14
It is good because it will get Obama elected hack89 Jul 2012 #16
OWS is making Dem politicians change their tune. Zalatix Jul 2012 #19
Are they true believers or political opportunists? hack89 Jul 2012 #38
Several elected Dems are members of OWS. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #32
Why should any Dem fear OWS? hack89 Jul 2012 #39
You must get a lot of exercise moving those goalposts. Zalatix Jul 2012 #43
I have changed my perspective on OWS hack89 Jul 2012 #44
Yes, I agree that helping Dems is a good idea. Zalatix Jul 2012 #46
But OWS will also help moderate and Blue Dog Dems hack89 Jul 2012 #47
They'll affect the primaries. Zalatix Jul 2012 #48
Or maybe you'll find a way to handwave away this? Zalatix Jul 2012 #15
Anything that keeps Dems in power is a good thing hack89 Jul 2012 #18
There were many many Democrats at the Occupy marches Generic Other Jul 2012 #20
Yes - never said it was not hack89 Jul 2012 #37
Lol, 'don't see the results' What 'results' would those be? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #31
The American people have not gone global hack89 Jul 2012 #36
Yawn! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #41
Since OWS will re-elect Democrats, I really have no problem with them hack89 Jul 2012 #42
"Last November's election is an example of this." 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #21
Um, ya know...you just might wanna think about that statement some more. Zorra Jul 2012 #51
Ha, ok 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #52
Ok. I'm done with you. Election Day 2011: In State After State, "Remarkable Wins for Progressives" Zorra Jul 2012 #54
But it's a social movement! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #55
"The Democratic Party has traditionally been the party of labor, of the people." Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #27
Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson, considered the founder of the Democratic Party, Zorra Jul 2012 #53
I think we've hit on the problem, neither party has consistently advocated for us in our history. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #56
Third Way corproatist BS. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #23
So you oppose electing Democrats to office? Ok. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #35
Support me or you stand with the terro. . . er corporatists! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #17
No. Poor analogy. Zorra Jul 2012 #22
Whatever you say captain! When shall the waterboarding begin? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #24
Over-dramatize much? Zalatix Jul 2012 #45
I was on that bridge UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #25
Thanks! Zorra Jul 2012 #50
A lovely thread thank you. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #26
DU Rec. woo me with science Jul 2012 #40
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