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calimary

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27. Well... I'd wonder how this stacks up in the homeland security department.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jul 2012

How does this make one feel - regarding one's safety here in the homeland? I certainly don't feel safer, knowing that the next guy I might inadvertently cut off on the freeway could be armed to the teeth, or knowing that I'll probably always feel some deep visceral fear the next time I go to a public movie theater or worse - knowing that my son or daughter has gone to see some movie in a public theater! I was at a club the other night with more than 300 people on hand to see my son's band. I looked around that crowd and actually found myself wondering - "hmmm - just the simple law of averages tells me that some small percentage of the people IN THIS ROOM could be packing heat. And what if one of them is set off by something? Just ONE would be all it'd take."

And before someone speaks up about "well, maybe it wouldn't happen if the bad guy knew other people were carrying guns..." or "maybe if somebody had had a gun in that Aurora CO theater last night, this bad guy would have been stopped." Yeah, sure. In that kind of instant madness and tear gas keeping you from breathing or even seeing in front of you, how could you take a shot at the bad guy? How would you even know what (or whom) you hit? What if you hit another innocent bystander by mistake, in the frenzy and insanity of that kind of situation? How could you even have the presence of mind in the middle of an instant war that just erupted all around you in a confined space with hysterical panicky people all over the place? What you would have had would be just more carnage - a regular ol' Gunfight at the OK Corral. It would have been even more out-of-control than this nightmare already wound up being.

FOR ME: anyone or any organization that protects an absolute, unrestricted right for ANYBODY no matter how unspooled they are, mentally, to possess any goddamn AK-47s or armor-piercing bullets or other high-octane paramilitary crap for personal use - if they're not in a war zone - makes me feel awfully vulnerable and endangered. And NO it doesn't make me want to respond by getting guns like that myself, and thus upping the ante. And that's what the NRA does. And even though their precious Second Amendment carries the language "WELL-REGULATED militia" they disregard that entirely. I've heard staunch Second Amendment defenders insisting that wording doesn't mean anything, or that it actually means something different, or that "oh no, it doesn't apply to this or that." They always have some way of talking around it.

We HAVE to toughen up gun regulations. This tragedy just underscores that. And maybe the NRA is just gonna have to let up on its ridiculously strident refusal to compromise at some point.

I mean - WHERE DOES IT END, permatex? Would you rather just let it go? Just ignore it? Is that okay? Is that something you can live with (even though, just here alone, we have at least 12 people who can never live with it - or anything else, for that matter - again)? Just let it happen again because "those things happen"? Just shrug it off as "it was just one nutcase"? For God's Sake! So how many nutcases and deaths and maimings and real-life horror before YOU have had enough? When will we all have FINALLY had enough???? What will it take?

And - look, I'm sorry, I don't mean to come down so hard on YOU personally, permatex. For God's Sake, I remember when John Lennon got shot (by just one nutcase, funny enough), and then-President-Elect ronald reagan somberly intoned that it was a terrible thing - but by God we've gotta make sure we keep our GUNS! And then HE was shot and nearly killed some three months later (by, guess what? Yet again, just one nutcase) and even then, EVEN THEN, he STILL insisted that hey, but... but... but... we still gotta have our GUNS! We simply can't deprive ANYBODY of having GUNS!

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL???????

It's gotta end. It just simply CANNOT continue like this. The NRA needs to shut up and back off and get some SENSE, and stop playing the victim when they're so goddamn powerful and influential and oppressive. Always so paranoid about somebody coming to take their beloved precious sacred fucking guns. Well, maybe it's finally time that somebody did. This isn't Dodge City in the late 1800s, for God's Sake. To me, this is a perfect example of domestic terrorism, and the NRA staunchly defends it and resolutely blocks any attempt to rein in the extremes of gun ownership that it protects. A right it protects at the expense of the rights of those dead victims in that theater - who are now permanently deprived of their lives and their futures. What rights did they have? Hey NRA, what about THEIR rights? Never mind, NRA, we all know YOUR rights are far more important than theirs.

I'm with Michael Bloomberg on this. And of course, that's about as far as it's gonna go...

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Tweet of the day (Guns) [View all] sellitman Jul 2012 OP
We're #1! We're #1! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #1
USA! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! Scuba Jul 2012 #2
K&R 99Forever Jul 2012 #3
Fuck the NRA flamingdem Jul 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #9
Gee, that's weird permatex Jul 2012 #12
Who says only the U.S. government gets to say? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #13
He says it is a terrorist org. permatex Jul 2012 #14
I don't know. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #21
Well... I'd wonder how this stacks up in the homeland security department. calimary Jul 2012 #27
Excellent post. thucythucy Jul 2012 #48
Your arguing from emotion, not from fact permatex Jul 2012 #53
That doesn't mean we'll give up trying, permatex. calimary Jul 2012 #57
Only if you go back to the quill and ink used in that time. permatex Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #39
Just countering you false statements. permatex Jul 2012 #41
Neither have I. But I *do* have an *opinion* on the matter. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #15
God save us from the day stating simple fact is "sticking up for the Right Wing" Bucky Jul 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #40
Why does it sound like a freeper forum there? permatex Jul 2012 #43
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #44
That's it? That's all you got? permatex Jul 2012 #45
Just as I thought permatex Jul 2012 #50
I am surprised it is that high in Germany tandot Jul 2012 #5
Perhaps some of that number were American armed services people. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #7
Germany has 80 plus million people thucythucy Jul 2012 #49
I live in Germany DFW Jul 2012 #63
That is interesting. I didn't know that. tandot Jul 2012 #68
They went too far, too fast DFW Jul 2012 #69
How very, very sad. polmaven Jul 2012 #6
Gun love is akin to another fundamentalist religion in this country. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #8
I agree sellitman Jul 2012 #46
American Exceptionalism ErikJ Jul 2012 #10
God damn. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #11
Keep up the good work!! ramikin Jul 2012 #16
9,484 gun deaths in the US = "Good Work" to you? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #18
In the past 20 years it's dropped by half. krispos42 Jul 2012 #25
Wow, look at that big drop in the 90's... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #26
Roe vs. Wade krispos42 Jul 2012 #28
The argument that women have been aborting violent criminals for the last 40 years undeterred Jul 2012 #51
Which is far more plausable than saying the Assault Weapons Ban did anything krispos42 Jul 2012 #61
I'm trying to figure out if you're yanking my chain Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56
Low unemployment rate? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #54
I don't think you can link the lapse of the assault weapons ban to the drop in gun deaths. Bucky Jul 2012 #22
I dunno... I see some pretty good evidence that it is happening quakerboy Jul 2012 #37
... Bucky Jul 2012 #38
Mathematical proof that we are drowning in Star Trek phasers? chknltl Jul 2012 #55
Maybe we're just better shots than all those other countries. tclambert Jul 2012 #17
Too many guns in the hands of too many idiots magic59 Jul 2012 #19
The stupid, it burns. krispos42 Jul 2012 #23
Try murdering 12 people and injuring 59 with a knife. Just sayin'. nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #30
A movie theater and an icepick. krispos42 Jul 2012 #31
You're just being silly now MattBaggins Jul 2012 #34
I am being serious. krispos42 Jul 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #42
That scenario would assume one person per row Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #52
I'm saying it could be done. krispos42 Jul 2012 #64
Intentional homicide rate in the US is four or five times that of Europe Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #32
Still, our non-gun homicide rate is as high or higher than their total homicide rate krispos42 Jul 2012 #33
Yes...a rope, the weapon of choice of most mass murderers.... sellitman Jul 2012 #47
A logical leap that I never made. krispos42 Jul 2012 #62
The NRA is so saturated with Fear Freak Overcompensators Berlum Jul 2012 #24
total scardey cats Lex Jul 2012 #59
This makes sense because there are absolutely no other differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29
No one claimed there was no difference. nt Lex Jul 2012 #60
By making a direct comparison and blaming precisely 1 variable 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #65
So your theory is everyone thinks all those countries are precisely Lex Jul 2012 #66
I believe people will conveniently ignore those differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #67
Checking the numbers quakerboy Jul 2012 #36
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