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AlbertCat

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78. The facts, though, are indisputable:

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:21 PM

Jul 2012

1. A lot more guns.

2. A lot fewer gun deaths.

And of course the FACT that these two things are not necessarily related. There seems to be no causality.

What are the statistics re # of guns and # of shootings, not just deaths. Better medical & safety emergency responses can explain fewer deaths, it seems, long before the amount of guns available can.

Not to even mention that the irrational reading of the 2nd Amendment and irrational gun worship going on today is ridiculous. The "government can't do anything right" crowd uses the 2nd amendment as a political tool, not a right. And I'm sick of this "wild west" fantasy... like Rep Louie Gomert actually believes apparently... his statements seem he thinks 19th century America was a John Wane movie.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12856827-how-not-to-respond-to-a-tragedy?lite

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Tom Tomorrow reposted this today - in response to the gun-worshippers who are howling today [View all] kpete Jul 2012 OP

Lawn furniture kills thousands each year! rfranklin Jul 2012 #1

Why must we be a slave to BIG LAWN FURNITURE and its lobby of death! Johonny Jul 2012 #21

LOL GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #27

My long-tail cat says we should at least outlaw rocking chairs. tclambert Jul 2012 #73

My manx says outlaw rabbit season. ileus Jul 2012 #104

Of course he does. caseymoz Jul 2012 #134

a small price to pay, I say DBoon Jul 2012 #31

The National Lawn Chair Association (NLCA) has captured Congress. nt SDjack Jul 2012 #57

Lawn furniture doesn't kill people... rateyes Jul 2012 #77

Hey, if everyone just carried their own lawn furniture the world would be a smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #119

I'll give you my chaise lounge when you pry it from my cold dead hands, you commie! nilram Jul 2012 #123

Obama is going to take your lawn furniture away. hay rick Jul 2012 #120

You can cite statistics to back it up, right? caseymoz Jul 2012 #135

Kicked and DU Recommended!! madinmaryland Jul 2012 #2

It extends to other countries too now. We must be sure that they have any and all of the guns patrice Jul 2012 #3

K&R! n/t beac Jul 2012 #4

Delicate flowers, all of them. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #5

+1 on the "consistently brilliant" comment. Scuba Jul 2012 #28

Perfect Patiod Jul 2012 #6

That should be on the NRA homepage TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #7

DU feels like free republic after every massacre. myrna minx Jul 2012 #8

Just remember that you have never been safer in your lifetime hack89 Jul 2012 #9

DUzy. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #30

But backed by actual facts hack89 Jul 2012 #33

Sorry, only one award per week. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #39

A 50 percent drop in murders and manslaughter deaths = "lost it's way"? OK. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #40

Yes, i said lost it's way. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #41

US murder rate 1950 = 4.6 US murder rate 2010 = 4.7 hack89 Jul 2012 #43

Your reply bongbong Jul 2012 #90

If you think those stats are directly related to the number of guns in this country Zoeisright Jul 2012 #66

I don't believe that hack89 Jul 2012 #68

The facts, though, are indisputable: AlbertCat Jul 2012 #78

Well, aggravated assaults are down drastically too hack89 Jul 2012 #81

Which is also a factor that tweaks the numbers. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #97

What gap? hack89 Jul 2012 #99

Take out muggings from overall gun violence and the numbers should be MUCH lower Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #103

You don't have to guess. hack89 Jul 2012 #100

Naw, tossing ideas out is more fun. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #102

We've had enough gun violence for one day. I don't have the stomach TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #80

The facts, though, are indisputable: Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #85

So if the number of guns has no influence on gun violence hack89 Jul 2012 #88

What spin you do! bongbong Jul 2012 #91

I know that. But look at the list of motives. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #95

So more guns caused more killings? Cite please. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #98

Oh you time wasting gun relgionists bongbong Jul 2012 #114

BTW: I didn't imply the opposite AT ALL. In fact, I'm saying shootings are for worse reasons. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #101

You don't get it. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #93

Wow... AynRandCollectedSS Jul 2012 #117

I am not saying more guns reduced gun violence hack89 Jul 2012 #130

the word is ITS Skittles Jul 2012 #107

You do realize that is a direct quote from the other poster? hack89 Jul 2012 #108

I feel like this comment has been cut and pasted all day yesterday. So I will too. Pholus Jul 2012 #128

I explicitly said that more guns =/= less violence. hack89 Jul 2012 #131

Precious salt for the wounds of the victims, I'd imagine... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #50

You are right hack89 Jul 2012 #51

kpete Diclotican Jul 2012 #10

Diclotican kpete Jul 2012 #12

kpete Diclotican Jul 2012 #19

Exactly AynRandCollectedSS Jul 2012 #118

But other countries with lax gun laws are not as violent nxylas Jul 2012 #13

nxylas Diclotican Jul 2012 #15

Michael Moore made the same point in Bowling for Columbine nxylas Jul 2012 #26

nxylas Diclotican Jul 2012 #42

I recommend a comedy movie called "Gunless." An American gunslinger finds himself in Canada, tclambert Jul 2012 #74

tclambert Diclotican Jul 2012 #127

other countries have widespread gun ownership DBoon Jul 2012 #34

True, that. I have considered buying a quality handgun hifiguy Jul 2012 #49

other countries treat firearms as useful tools that can be dangerous DBoon Jul 2012 #53

Exactly. I recently moved into a neighborhood hifiguy Jul 2012 #60

And are "cool" nxylas Jul 2012 #65

Their Precious bongbong Jul 2012 #92

only the US has a religion of gun ownership AlbertCat Jul 2012 #82

Our gun-nut paranoid heritage Jessy169 Jul 2012 #16

+1 Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #25

Hell Hath No Fury AlbertCat Jul 2012 #83

+1 Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #142

Jessy169 Diclotican Jul 2012 #52

Thank you Third Doctor Jul 2012 #58

Third Doctor Diclotican Jul 2012 #126

K&R. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #11

So, how often mass are shootings being stopped? caseymoz Jul 2012 #14

Any conceal carry person probably knows these two things. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #22

False memes, much? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #29

No. Refute much? n/t A Simple Game Jul 2012 #37

That's not the worst of it. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #54

That too. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2012 #61

A responsible gun owner would simply not shoot in that situation, AlbertCat Jul 2012 #84

If they're responsible and competent, yes. caseymoz Jul 2012 #133

Then why carry it? kiva Jul 2012 #64

I can think of no good reason for an ordinary person to carry. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2012 #67

That's my thought, but kiva Jul 2012 #116

If you wanted to make my argument caseymoz Jul 2012 #132

I saw one here, although nothing suggests it was going to end in a mass... Amonester Jul 2012 #24

Stop that. Serve The Servants Jul 2012 #110

Not one. A massive study was done that showed that handgun owners, besides being more apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #38

And what study would that be? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #45

How does one determine someone has prevented a mass shooting before it happened? hughee99 Jul 2012 #46

And when you take this incident into consideration: TheMightyFavog Jul 2012 #56

"A man armed to the teeth with rocks... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #17

I'm sick of our country having to pay this price over and over RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #18

Questions of the century. gtar100 Jul 2012 #35

That's so true. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #44

My husband explained that one to me.... MountainMama Jul 2012 #75

I believe in common sense gun control. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #86

I don't think everybody does. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #87

Here in Kansas, even being blind is not considered tblue37 Jul 2012 #121

Wow. That's just nuts. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #122

Typical Republican fanatical devotion to extreme positions, that's why. nt tblue37 Jul 2012 #137

Right, because institutional authority behind Tuskegee and Japanese internment closeupready Jul 2012 #20

The gun lobby is well rehearsed in its rhetoric which to me is used to bully everyone who disagrees upaloopa Jul 2012 #23

Yep - this cartoon nails it, right down to how cry-babyish our very own "pro-gun progressives" apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #32

How narrow minded. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #62

Case in point right here. Peddle your complaints to someone who gives a fig; I don't. Thanks. n/t. apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #63

100% bongbong Jul 2012 #94

Yep: they get all a'flutter with outrage when someone calls them on their BS, apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #106

Yes bongbong Jul 2012 #111

I few years ago I "blocked" everyone posting in the Gungeon... Walk away Jul 2012 #129

Work bongbong Jul 2012 #136

It seems to me that most of them are not Democrats or Liberals. Walk away Jul 2012 #138

Paiddddd posters bongbong Jul 2012 #139

I figured as much. What sane person would object to sensible restrictions? Walk away Jul 2012 #140

Excellent toon amuse bouche Jul 2012 #36

Those numbers abroad would be almost as good as ours Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #70

Merica, fuck yeah! ellisonz Jul 2012 #124

Love the bit about "... you delicate flower, you." Soooo incisive! So spot on. patrice Jul 2012 #47

Reminds me of something Garrison Keillor said calimary Jul 2012 #59

already had that from my paranoid brother PatrynXX Jul 2012 #48

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A-fucking-men nt Cheap_Trick Jul 2012 #69

K&R B Calm Jul 2012 #71

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A lot of food for thought there Tobin S. Jul 2012 #105

Thank you felix_numinous Jul 2012 #115

du rec. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #76

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Last panel right on bongbong Jul 2012 #89

that is the TRUTH Skittles Jul 2012 #96

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2nd Amendment Nonsense colsohlibgal Jul 2012 #113

CORRECT Skittles Jul 2012 #125

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