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Atticus

(15,124 posts) Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:30 PM Nov 2017

Uh---a minor point about Ms. Tweeden's veracity--- [View all]

I have just watched her account of what she says happened on the TV machine. She not only says that Franken "groped her breasts", she says that the photograph SHOWS him groping her!

Ladies and gentlemen, LOOK at the damn photo. He clearly is not even touching her! Judging by the fact you can see his left pinkie through his other fingers, he appears to be inches away from the woman's chest. Shadows cast by fingers of right hand corroborate this. Talking heads took her bait and are now repeating that the photo shows him "groping her breasts".

I am not saying nothing happened. I am not saying Franken is blameless. But, if she will lie about what the pic shows---and she damn well did---I think we need more than "she said" about the other allegations.

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Uh---a minor point about Ms. Tweeden's veracity--- [View all] Atticus Nov 2017 OP

Honestly wryter2000 Nov 2017 #1

I agree with you. Blue_true Nov 2017 #49

His or hers? She's WORKING to destroy the ASA, take $4 TRILLION Hortensis Nov 2017 #95

And sexual assault has nothing to do with any of that. Blue_true Nov 2017 #103

It goes directly to her character, and thus her credibility. Hortensis Nov 2017 #104

Posing is the point Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #58

The photo is what did it for me. I was all, "Oh no. Not Franken." kcr Nov 2017 #2

me too! I read he "groped" her and there was a photo OhioBlue Nov 2017 #99

The flak jacket is kind of damning isn't it? lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #101

There's a flaw in your reasoning. jberryhill Nov 2017 #3

Good one! Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #4

Yes, but if greyl Nov 2017 #5

From that photograph... jberryhill Nov 2017 #10

Right, that's my point... greyl Nov 2017 #14

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #33

So you think the accuser is lying? Nevernose Nov 2017 #6

I'm saying that the reasoning in the OP is flawed jberryhill Nov 2017 #7

How many men do you know that would pose for a picture like that XRubicon Nov 2017 #11

Missing the point again jberryhill Nov 2017 #15

You have no common sense. XRubicon Nov 2017 #18

I'm not sure you understand the difference between "evidence" and "proof" jberryhill Nov 2017 #23

That's great for you... good luck now... XRubicon Nov 2017 #24

The OP said nothing about "evidence" or "proof". OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #46

Thank you! NT Atticus Nov 2017 #71

she's the one saying that the photo is proof. scipan Nov 2017 #100

Then accusers reasoning is flawed Nevernose Nov 2017 #16

Again, you are missing the point jberryhill Nov 2017 #21

I think it was the mess boys who took the strawberries. XRubicon Nov 2017 #29

LOl! Good one Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #56

Youre technically correct, but ... Whiskeytide Nov 2017 #86

Yup, saved me having to reply to druidity33 Nov 2017 #97

She said she knew nothing ... Whiskeytide Nov 2017 #39

I haven't seen the picture yet, but... tomp Nov 2017 #65

No. Your reasoning is flawed. Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #89

Do you have hundreds of photographs of you not touching things that you wound up touching afterward? George II Nov 2017 #91

Lol jberryhill Nov 2017 #98

Have you looked at the damn photo? GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #9

I agree Nevernose Nov 2017 #12

Sorry, you're right. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #20

Yes jberryhill Nov 2017 #13

And she's wearing a Kevlar flak jacket. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #22

At the moment the picture was taken, that appears to be what was going on jberryhill Nov 2017 #25

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that an instant after the photo was snapped trof Nov 2017 #51

Yep. cwydro Nov 2017 #105

So the accuser... tonedevil Nov 2017 #28

Here's how things work in the real world of claims and evidence jberryhill Nov 2017 #30

That seems to be restating... tonedevil Nov 2017 #50

The photo proves it was a gag..a joke. Now whether one finds it funny or not is another story. Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #63

Why do you think she now doesnt want an investigation Dream Girl Nov 2017 #31

I agree wholeheartedly Nevernose Nov 2017 #36

He was posing for a picture! XRubicon Nov 2017 #8

What is it you believe I was attempting to "prove" jberryhill Nov 2017 #17

Your photo was offered as proof XRubicon Nov 2017 #19

I agree. n/t rainin Nov 2017 #38

He admitted it was wrong and apologized, but it was a joke. XRubicon Nov 2017 #42

Did I confuse the meaning of the comment? rainin Nov 2017 #48

No, that is what I was trying to say XRubicon Nov 2017 #53

There would, indeed, be a flaw in my reasoning IF I had suggested that the photo Atticus Nov 2017 #69

She doesnt know whether he actually touched her either srobertss Nov 2017 #81

This photo clearly shows that the horses were standing still. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #82

If you're reduced to arguing "his hands weren't on her breasts, they were hovering over them," Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #26

Hovering over her breasts for a picture is juvenille rainin Nov 2017 #37

That is not the basis on which Franken himself is basing his response. n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #40

I'm pretty sure rainin Nov 2017 #45

If she is reduced to saying that a photo shows what it clearly does not, SHE IS NOT HELPING and Atticus Nov 2017 #83

Rehashing what may or may not have happened, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #87

Agree with your entire response. Thanks for your civility. nt Atticus Nov 2017 #88

You're very welcome. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #90

An investigation MFM008 Nov 2017 #27

I think we need to hear from the photographer TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #32

Are we selling Al Franken's superpowers short? Maybe he has to ability to bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #34

She is a Republican. rainin Nov 2017 #35

I see all these posts about a photograph. Why in the doc03 Nov 2017 #41

Yeah! I see many here talking about it but can't anyone post it? panader0 Nov 2017 #43

I did a search and was directed Brietbart. It just looks like a gag picture, doc03 Nov 2017 #54

It's a silly gag. Tactical Peek Nov 2017 #60

Not only this Corgigal Nov 2017 #44

Well, Al is making light of "groping" in that photo. It's certainly not a crime, but I wouldn't Hoyt Nov 2017 #47

Making light? XRubicon Nov 2017 #57

If I had room, I would have put "at a minimum, he's making a joke of something inappropriate." Hoyt Nov 2017 #64

Is anyone asking where her witnesses are? rainin Nov 2017 #52

In her press conference... kag Nov 2017 #68

LOL rainin Nov 2017 #70

And yet Hannity said he showed her the photo years ago. Pathwalker Nov 2017 #73

There are at least two witnesses. The man sitting to the right, and the photographer. pnwmom Nov 2017 #79

A picture is less than one second in time. Less than a second later he could have been touching her. boston bean Nov 2017 #55

Listening to Leeann Tweeden's account during her press conference and some phrases stuck out... CincyDem Nov 2017 #59

What I hear in this thread..... Soph0571 Nov 2017 #61

What would you have him say rainin Nov 2017 #72

Hhhmmm Soph0571 Nov 2017 #75

I disagree. kag Nov 2017 #77

Very well said. nt Atticus Nov 2017 #96

The lesson to be learned here, Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #62

No, he's not touching her. It's a joke. The gang would punk each other when asleep. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #66

She's following her paymasters' script. Now, who can follow the money. ancianita Nov 2017 #67

I saw that too! Mountain Mule Nov 2017 #74

Been reading various threads on DU about this topic for the past few hours ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #76

We used to take pictures during our annual summer bowling tournaments SoCalDem Nov 2017 #78

I have to make a point weissmam Nov 2017 #80

wasn't the whole bit consentual?...I haven't read up on it I admit... TalenaGor Nov 2017 #84

My take. ananda Nov 2017 #85

And in his apology and statement, I don't think he said he touched her..... George II Nov 2017 #92

Save the image and zoom in. .99center Nov 2017 #93

Its a picture, not a video. Nt NCTraveler Nov 2017 #94

I would say that the whole story was cooked up around that one photo by The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #102