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MatthewG.

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66. I dont agree with your argument.

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 07:21 PM

Nov 2017

When I spoke about conservatives conceding Obama is a morally decent person in his private life, the comparison there would be to Bill Clinton, a philanderer repeatedly accused of inappropriate sexual activity, and perhaps Trump.

You’re saying that I’ve implicitly conceded that there’s something wrong with Hillary’s private life, but that wasn’t it. The point was that many honest conservatives would acknowledge Obama was a genuine role model to many, whatever his politics.

It is true that Bill Clinton’s sexual scandals have tainted the Clinton name to a certain degree, and I think they’ve been attached to Hillary by association - perhaps subconscious association. If you want my thoughts on Hillary specifically they’re basically all in the post I made above this one ; post # 42 in this thread

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How was the GOP able to demonize Hillary Clinton to the extent they did? [View all] kentuck Nov 2017 OP

It can't be underestimated at all get the red out Nov 2017 #1

Also, she's a woman. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #22

You've nailed it. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #28

Oh, come on. They made Kerry and Gore polarizing figures, too, with almost zero cause. LisaM Nov 2017 #33

Kerry and Gore haven't received such the avalanche of continuous ire Hillary has. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #40

But, they were treated as polarizing figures as nominees, which is what you said. LisaM Nov 2017 #60

What Forgotmylogin said. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #59

They attached so much baggage to her it was impossible to respond to the bulk of propraganda onit2day Nov 2017 #37

They have no problem supporting women like Bachmann, Palin, Ernst etc. progressoid Nov 2017 #64

the so called liberal bdtrppr6 Nov 2017 #2

No such thing as Liberal media only Liberal talking heads. It's all corporate media onit2day Nov 2017 #45

You left out the people most responsible - those that feel for that nonsense without questioning. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #3

Repeat a lie, again and again and again SFnomad Nov 2017 #4

Yup, even here. Skidmore Nov 2017 #34

I think rush gets credit for this - decades of Clinton-demonization DrDan Nov 2017 #5

Because there is MFM008 Nov 2017 #6

Lots of Reasons IMO... SDJay Nov 2017 #7

Their hatred goes all the way back to Watergate, bright, young woman attorney bringing down Nixon. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #8

Yep. kentuck Nov 2017 #11

The worst part was the left soaking it up. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #9

They targeted the Clintons almost with as much fervor as they did the Kennedys. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #10

You mean Edward "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy exboyfil Nov 2017 #14

"Almost"? They spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars "investigating" them. joshcryer Nov 2017 #57

She did hand them a sword exboyfil Nov 2017 #12

"I still cannot understand why she would do this." Steven Maurer Nov 2017 #25

they have a huge media platform and discipline NewJeffCT Nov 2017 #13

Rich win again DownriverDem Nov 2017 #41

Dems don't do talking points or bumper sticker soundbites--but since the voting tblue37 Nov 2017 #43

I agree about not underestimating the lows to which they will sink. Caliman73 Nov 2017 #15

True... kentuck Nov 2017 #16

I actually think that "Pocahontas" will backfire. Caliman73 Nov 2017 #27

it's not just the right Skittles Nov 2017 #17

I think a lot of Democrats were guilty of buying into the propaganda... kentuck Nov 2017 #18

I don't think any real Democrat could ever have voted for Trump Skittles Nov 2017 #20

She has been vetted more than any candidate ever. ehrnst Nov 2017 #19

The same way 15 people were hanged in Salem njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #21

Good Analogy! maddiemom Nov 2017 #35

You are correct. hamsterjill Nov 2017 #23

Agree DownriverDem Nov 2017 #36

The Clintons earned extreme GOP demonization when Bill stole GOP voters populistdriven Nov 2017 #24

Sad DownriverDem Nov 2017 #32

Exactly! Obama trolled them even worse and left the GOP incapable of governing. populistdriven Nov 2017 #68

How did they do it? Repitition. Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #26

It takes a Village to Stop Bullies - no matter who it is delisen Nov 2017 #29

Sexism on both the left and the right created a fertile ground for such propaganda. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #30

Yep DownriverDem Nov 2017 #31

I completely disagree with the answers being given on this thread. StevieM Nov 2017 #38

Say what? Podkayne K Nov 2017 #49

I agree with some of what you are saying but I disagree that anyone can compare to James Comey StevieM Nov 2017 #58

Maybe it wasn't my best writing... Podkayne K Nov 2017 #65

I know some women who hated her for not leaving Bill Calculating Nov 2017 #39

Part of it was her and her husbands flawed record. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #42

And how did Barack Obama manage to avoid their lies and their smears? Cary Nov 2017 #44

Hes got a less problematic record. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #50

"...admit hes a morally decent man in his private life..." Cary Nov 2017 #63

I dont agree with your argument. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #66

Except I have only seen one single "conservative" say that Cary Nov 2017 #67

Ive seen a few. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #70

They had help. (And that's all I'll say about that.) NurseJackie Nov 2017 #46

Fox News launched on October 7, 1996. moondust Nov 2017 #47

The GOP owns the media. Initech Nov 2017 #48

They knew when she took the lead on healthcare... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #51

Secrecy, lies, and, just enough substance loyalsister Nov 2017 #52

Mostly because she has a vagina. efhmc Nov 2017 #53

the extreme left of the democratic side assisted in demonizing clinton too beachbum bob Nov 2017 #54

Short answer? They had a LOT of help from the so-called left Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #55

They called FDR "that man in the White House" Hamlette Nov 2017 #56

Fox Snooze was a major part of the dumbing down of the gullible Lil Missy Nov 2017 #61

Long ago, Repugs learned how to bloodlessly assassinate a leader. VOX Nov 2017 #62

Endless amounts of money and years of marketing... Sancho Nov 2017 #69