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FuzzyRabbit

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81. Good summary, Nance.

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:11 PM

Nov 2017

But you forgot to mention a couple of things.

Senator Franken is one of the best known and most popular Democrats. And that there is an election in 2020. If Franken runs for reelection he will most likely win.

But he is extremely popular with Democrats in every state, and if he decided to run for president in 2020, he might very well be nominated (and win).

So the Republicans are using this incident from the USO tour to derail Franken and divide Democrats. And they are getting help from trolls, including our very own Russian trolls here on DU.

Of course, not every poster on DU who is upset with Franken is a troll. Most, I know, are feeling legitimately upset. Women are treated as prey all of their lives and this incident along with the publicity about Trump, Moore, and Weinstein's predatory histories is bringing back horrific memories.

But some are obviously trolls stirring the pot. Anything to disrupt the Democrats.

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Fuck. This. Shit. [View all] NanceGreggs Nov 2017 OP

Proud to be your first rec Nance. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #1

Proud to be the 15th Lochloosa Nov 2017 #10

Proud to be the 100th rec. yardwork Nov 2017 #71

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metoo lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #221

me too onit2day Nov 2017 #263

400 recs! yallerdawg Nov 2017 #226

Proud not to rec SCantiGOP Nov 2017 #259

He did not "apologize without reservation." rzemanfl Nov 2017 #265

Oh, youre right SCantiGOP Nov 2017 #275

He apologized for the sight gag. But have it your way. This place is like Burger King. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #276

I'm split on the apology... but, it was a good first step. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #303

Burger King will reward you with coupons. Keep checking your newspaper. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #305

hahahaha... good one! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #306

I'm 464!! uponit7771 Nov 2017 #266

530 List left Nov 2017 #311

Kick dalton99a Nov 2017 #2

Well said. woolldog Nov 2017 #3

K&R... spanone Nov 2017 #4

Maybe he was lampooning the likes of Trump, Moore, etc. Blue Owl Nov 2017 #5

DAMN RIGHT......and thank you. a kennedy Nov 2017 #6

Totally agree Pepsidog Nov 2017 #7

Well said... imax2268 Nov 2017 #8

Fucking Beautiful ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #9

I've stayed mostly away from this subject. joshcryer Nov 2017 #11

totally agree. Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #12

K&R, especially since Roger Stone tweeted about what was to come last night. brush Nov 2017 #13

Yep. dalton99a Nov 2017 #18

Also, the statement from the person who took the picture Maggiemayhem Nov 2017 #191

I agree. n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2017 #14

Agreed RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #15

That, and the fact we have only her word about the "kissing rehearsal." maddiemom Nov 2017 #203

Your popular with me! MFM008 Nov 2017 #16

Well if thats fallout87 Nov 2017 #17

What s the statue of limitations Corgigal Nov 2017 #24

It was in Gawd's sky. No statute of limitations on the wrath of gawd. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #37

Da. You betcha. Bigly. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #27

Out In Droves I See.... Grassy Knoll Nov 2017 #30

It would be mean of me to mention post counts. I'm mean. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #33

Nah....keep on pointing out the trolls Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #156

***** is one of them. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #217

WE are fine ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #34

Baloney. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2017 #39

Really? liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #44

Seriously? Bayard Nov 2017 #65

agree completely Larrybanal Nov 2017 #213

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #89

LOL Skittles Nov 2017 #142

NO. We fight back, goddamnit. HARD. VOX Nov 2017 #147

Oh noes! You need to try be less obvious. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2017 #154

Trump should resign first. BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #171

Did you call this sexual assault? GaryCnf Nov 2017 #182

Zero tolerance positions indicate a decided lack in critical thinking skills and judgment. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #185

You've missed the entire point of Nance's rant PJMcK Nov 2017 #195

Then how is The Orange Pussy Grabber treestar Nov 2017 #204

Troll much? paleotn Nov 2017 #218

Are you equating what happened with Franken with rape? ehrnst Nov 2017 #225

Bolshoi or Kirov? grossproffit Nov 2017 #241

That's absurd Lil Missy Nov 2017 #244

Well said. Snackshack Nov 2017 #19

Tweedon appeared to be at a different Corgigal Nov 2017 #20

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Turbineguy Nov 2017 #21

Thank you. Ilsa Nov 2017 #22

Franken denied the forced kiss Nevernose Nov 2017 #53

Thank you for that. I have intentionally Ilsa Nov 2017 #76

you can't get away from it LittleGirl Nov 2017 #83

Wolf Blitzer edited her statement, too Nevernose Nov 2017 #96

he wants an investigation, she does not Skittles Nov 2017 #143

Where are the witnesses? Bayard Nov 2017 #243

me too bdamomma Nov 2017 #113

Tweeden must be HORRIFIED at the past documented behavior of Trump and Roy Moore! VOX Nov 2017 #23

All excellent points. misanthrope Nov 2017 #102

Yes, I checked her Twitter, and she posted a lot about how sickening Roy Moore and Trump are. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #122

WHOOOOOOOSSSHHHH! VOX Nov 2017 #146

K&R Bettie Nov 2017 #25

Thank you. 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #26

K and r. cwydro Nov 2017 #28

Is there ever! orangecrush Nov 2017 #200

Do one thing SCantiGOP Nov 2017 #29

So true! I agree 100%. n/t USALiberal Nov 2017 #36

If Cruz had done it when he was a comedian, yes. nolabear Nov 2017 #59

We're talking about a failed joke in bad taste. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #279

Aint it the truth. nolabear Nov 2017 #287

lol sure if the accuser was a regular on Maddow who pushed the Cruz's father shot Kennedy theory grantcart Nov 2017 #74

Except Franken isn't family values, religious liberty (for Christians only) TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #77

Ahem---Testing, one, two-----BULL.SHIT!!! nt Atticus Nov 2017 #104

I'll admit my bias in one important area misanthrope Nov 2017 #109

If I change it to Stewart or Colbert Control-Z Nov 2017 #117

Disagree about the "what if it were Cruz?" RVN VET71 Nov 2017 #137

Thank you! I go through this mental exercise deliberately. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #188

Well-written, Patriot! PJMcK Nov 2017 #197

Thank you. Gravitycollapse Nov 2017 #162

none of us believed Cruz's father killed JFK JI7 Nov 2017 #179

Or that Cruz is Bettie Nov 2017 #214

Bullshit. People are a sum of their parts. Franken has been a huge ally to women. PeaceNikki Nov 2017 #196

Bull. Ted Cruz could not be a comedian. treestar Nov 2017 #212

So... whataboutism? moda253 Nov 2017 #235

Thanks, Nance ailsagirl Nov 2017 #31

If any GOP senator did that we would not defend it. nt USALiberal Nov 2017 #32

If a GOP Senator was working as a comedian OhioBlue Nov 2017 #126

So you really think a woman sleeping close to a comedian should be prepared for that to happen? n/t USALiberal Nov 2017 #247

Defend what? A rehearsed kiss she agreed to and didn't like? notdarkyet Nov 2017 #133

Are you saying the photo was a fake. Or just think it was OK to do that? n/t USALiberal Nov 2017 #245

bullshit Skittles Nov 2017 #144

Bullshit that we would not rip a GOPer who did this to a sleeping woman? LOL, ok. USALiberal Nov 2017 #246

we would be smart enough to see it is a gag photo Skittles Nov 2017 #270

Thank you CatMor Nov 2017 #35

Seeing that Roger Stone was threatening Franken, Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #38

Great to be 60... defacto7 Nov 2017 #40

2006 is not 'back in the day' melman Nov 2017 #41

Gee I am sure Nance really appreciates your concern ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #52

Well it depends where you are now. xxqqqzme Nov 2017 #130

Its how time speeds up as you age... VOX Nov 2017 #148

Yes and no. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #189

For example. Nickleback was a thing once in the not too distant past moda253 Nov 2017 #236

Exactly! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #239

Why do people hate Nickelback? uponit7771 Nov 2017 #267

You articulated what I didn't. Great post! Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #42

Thanks you. I've been struggling with this all day and you helped me be ok with being clear. n/t CincyDem Nov 2017 #43

Well said, Nance. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2017 #45

According to the Photographer videohead5 Nov 2017 #46

That was a tweet by someone that said the photog said that AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #58

Wish the photographer would come forward and confirm that... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #280

Agree. cwydro Nov 2017 #47

Well said! burrowowl Nov 2017 #48

K & R... revmclaren Nov 2017 #49

K&R bdamomma Nov 2017 #50

RECOfuckingmended BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #51

Kick & rec. TOTAL political hit, stinks of Stone, Bannon, & Hannity. VOX Nov 2017 #54

what ever you choose to call it elmac Nov 2017 #55

Kick And Rec Grassy Knoll Nov 2017 #56

So obvious to anyone with a brain cell left flamingdem Nov 2017 #57

I would give it a few days and see if this story madville Nov 2017 #60

K & R & R & R Duppers Nov 2017 #61

I agree with every word. And I am mad that Franken even asked for this to be investigated. SweetieD Nov 2017 #62

THIS. SO THIS. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #69

I think he's trying to set the tone that all accusations should be investigated nini Nov 2017 #116

I think that, too obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #183

Don't be mad.... paleotn Nov 2017 #219

Yes, the right is trying to use this for the sake of conflation. uponit7771 Nov 2017 #268

I totally agree great post nt doc03 Nov 2017 #63

Oh MAN, Nance, I'm so glad to read this. calimary Nov 2017 #64

K&R musette_sf Nov 2017 #66

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #67

Good for you. "Fuck this shit" nails it. Thanks. ancianita Nov 2017 #68

Tweedon is a self promoting birther, supporter to Hannity grantcart Nov 2017 #70

If they go back over his career as a writer and actor, BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #72

I appreciate this so much. LittleGirl Nov 2017 #73

I disagree with this assertion, as to jokes about sexual abuse, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #75

Thank you. n/t ariadne0614 Nov 2017 #180

Thank you, thank you Rustynaerduwell Nov 2017 #78

I agree. C_U_L8R Nov 2017 #79

Thank You Nance. SJMULE Nov 2017 #80

Good summary, Nance. FuzzyRabbit Nov 2017 #81

Well this is how politics works right? Eventually even the worst behaviors have to be justified. MadDAsHell Nov 2017 #82

Eddie Murphy's raw was one of the most popular stand up shows of all time Egnever Nov 2017 #84

You are popular to me superpatriotman Nov 2017 #85

I'm with you, Nance... this is a huge nothing burger... secondwind Nov 2017 #86

Thank you! OceanChick Nov 2017 #87

The ape speaks Bayard Nov 2017 #88

I agree. PeaceNikki Nov 2017 #90

Thank you for the legislative record PeaceNikki. Impressive. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #201

Thank you so much for that, for me you're not "unpopular" but more revered than before I read this.. George II Nov 2017 #91

YES!!!!! n/t rainin Nov 2017 #92

franken "scandal" is..... technotwit Nov 2017 #93

best post on this today..... dhill926 Nov 2017 #94

Sure, but the pic still shows sexual exploitation in the form of comedy.. still a bit offensive vkkv Nov 2017 #95

We should dig up Benny Hill and forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #209

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #232

playboy bunnies on USO tours paid or not? Do they expect to be admired for their minds on tour? Sunlei Nov 2017 #240

Wow, just wow.. you would make a great SEXIST! oh wait... vkkv Nov 2017 #261

difference between what? an on stage comedy show for adult military people & Moore- pedophile or Sunlei Nov 2017 #271

You don't get it. vkkv Nov 2017 #283

Everything's going to be ok. Sunlei Nov 2017 #286

It's very strange and really weird that you'd spend so much energy on this.. vkkv Nov 2017 #288

Let's get weird, cause we're all weird people and we Love it. Sunlei Nov 2017 #290

I guess... vkkv Nov 2017 #293

I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues Sunlei Nov 2017 #297

And I'd bet money that you'd be the disappointed one that the former bunny didn't vkkv Nov 2017 #262

Fool? forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #249

WTF? What "you said" was intended as an attack on what you thought was my stupidity. vkkv Nov 2017 #260

And plonk. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #300

Agreed -well said c-rational Nov 2017 #97

by the way elmac Nov 2017 #98

Thank you, Nance. Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #99

Concur absolutely. madamesilverspurs Nov 2017 #100

Agree with you 100% rock Nov 2017 #101

As always, you put things in the perfect perspective Glorfindel Nov 2017 #103

Yep ornotna Nov 2017 #105

You said exactly what I have been thinking. idahoblue Nov 2017 #106

knr triron Nov 2017 #107

You're not unpopular with me, and 2 of the many reasons are because of these 2 statements below .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #108

I'm with you Nance njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #110

I think Al should offer to resign: "You want me to resign? I'll resign when Donald Trump resigns." NBachers Nov 2017 #111

K& R Thank you for your honesty and your intelligence, Nancy. fierywoman Nov 2017 #112

WAS THERE A PENIS? overkill. benny hillism past its due date. pansypoo53219 Nov 2017 #114

Thank you, this is exactly what I think. betsuni Nov 2017 #115

THANK YOU, NANCE! Silver Gaia Nov 2017 #118

Yep. I agree with you. Lifelong Protester Nov 2017 #134

I agree kimbutgar Nov 2017 #119

That what Sen Franken has done can be compared to Roy Moore's degeneracy is monstrous. marble falls Nov 2017 #120

What is really scandalous here is the wingnuts pull this shit off to lay cover for Pussy Grabber L. Coyote Nov 2017 #121

Agreed, but I will take it a step further. Doremus Nov 2017 #123

This is a blatant and quite frankly pathetic attempt to play "both sides do it!". Initech Nov 2017 #124

Amen unhip white guy Nov 2017 #125

Agree 100% n/t Greybnk48 Nov 2017 #127

KnR SammyWinstonJack Nov 2017 #128

Thanks, Nance lordsummerisle Nov 2017 #129

I completely agree! This feels like Acorn all over again. OhioBlue Nov 2017 #131

Regarding the Honeymooners... (Yeah, I know it's not your main point.) clementine613 Nov 2017 #132

K&R R#200!! IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #135

Well stated! LAS14 Nov 2017 #136

I fucking love you eissa Nov 2017 #138

RELEASE THE PEE TAPES Blue Owl Nov 2017 #139

Roger Stone has been The Wizard Nov 2017 #140

The equivalency is in the responses BainsBane Nov 2017 #141

I have to agree. Straw Man Nov 2017 #175

well stated Phentex Nov 2017 #223

Thank you, Bainsbain. Once again, you are absolutely correct. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #227

I think its possible to see issues with one persons accusation stevenleser Nov 2017 #312

Absolutely Spot On! DoctorJoJo Nov 2017 #145

I read he was using her phone to take the picture Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #149

Thanks. hay rick Nov 2017 #150

K & R. nt Heartstrings Nov 2017 #151

FTS K&R Maeve Nov 2017 #152

Agree 100 percent! karin_sj Nov 2017 #153

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2017 #237

Thanks! karin_sj Nov 2017 #264

Welcome back! k8conant Nov 2017 #282

Thank you, Nance NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #155

You will never be unpopular with me Cary Nov 2017 #157

K&R R B Garr Nov 2017 #159

Please ask yourself: garybeck Nov 2017 #160

Yep.. Truth is truth busterbrown Nov 2017 #164

Republicans sure seem to do it treestar Nov 2017 #211

FAIL. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #161

Great post! BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #163

Are you kidding me? Of COURSE a joke picture (admittedly, in EXTREMELY poor taste) is EXACTLY Grown2Hate Nov 2017 #165

We don't have to sacrifice anyone to deal with this. moriah Nov 2017 #166

Another thing that was completely overlooked; they were putting on a show procon Nov 2017 #167

You said it all in your post. Excellent. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #207

Excellent point dalton99a Nov 2017 #229

Absolutely agree with your position. democratisphere Nov 2017 #168

THIS!!! BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #169

Very well said LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #170

Right on! lillypaddle Nov 2017 #173

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #174

Agree totally. Cattledog Nov 2017 #176

The media really needs to do some digging octoberlib Nov 2017 #177

You nailed it again NanceGreggs bearssoapbox Nov 2017 #178

I Totally Agree ggmac0427 Nov 2017 #181

Fuck this shit Nuffer Nov 2017 #184

Al Franken and Dems IMHO handled this the way it should be! kydo Nov 2017 #186

Fuckin' A! This Franken NONSENSE is meant to be a distraction and diversion... Raster Nov 2017 #187

+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #255

I will recommend this post agree. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #190

K&R! gademocrat7 Nov 2017 #192

Thank you! IUPACify Nov 2017 #194

Kick and Rec orangecrush Nov 2017 #198

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Nov 2017 #199

YES! Thank you, Nance. maddiemom Nov 2017 #202

Hear, hear! aka-chmeee Nov 2017 #205

your sig is awesome MFM008 Nov 2017 #251

Thanks...My first effort at creating a .gif nt aka-chmeee Nov 2017 #298

Another K&R lark Nov 2017 #206

Word. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #208

You speak for me bagimin Nov 2017 #210

Nancegreggs marieo1 Nov 2017 #215

That's damn right! paleotn Nov 2017 #220

K & R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #222

Kicked & Recd. ehrnst Nov 2017 #224

You failed to mention snowybirdie Nov 2017 #228

Fuckin-A! moda253 Nov 2017 #230

K&R. Very well said. Paladin Nov 2017 #231

Wow, someone who says what I think. K&R (NT) louis c Nov 2017 #233

One photo can't possibly make clear that Franken didn't touch her. Orsino Nov 2017 #234

rec & IMO Al ASKS for ethics review, will place the PEDO(s) & attackers of woman Sunlei Nov 2017 #238

Agree Nitram Nov 2017 #242

absolutely bluestarone Nov 2017 #248

Recommend!!!! Useless in FL Nov 2017 #250

Thank you. femmocrat Nov 2017 #252

I really couldn't give a shit about that stupid woman. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #253

Absofuckinglutely! Chakaconcarne Nov 2017 #254

Based on what Al Franken himself admits, it was inappropriate, but not because it was sexual still_one Nov 2017 #256

Rec 446. Well said! nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #257

I agree 100%!! Rainngirl Nov 2017 #258

k and r niyad Nov 2017 #269

Amen. lamp_shade Nov 2017 #272

well said comment by mature adult Nance Greggs. librechik Nov 2017 #273

Agree Meowmee Nov 2017 #274

USO tour Robin Williams & Al Franken playing Saddam Hussian, Xmas 2003. Camp Arifjan, Kuwait. Sunlei Nov 2017 #277

Has Leeann made any big deposits into her bank account lately? panader0 Nov 2017 #278

It was a bad joke in poor taste and he deserves no credit for making it. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #281

#493. As usual, a great post, Nance! n/t Different Drummer Nov 2017 #284

Franken was a comedian. Jane Austin Nov 2017 #285

It passed the test for the troops. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #299

You're not becoming unpopular because of this post. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #289

Goddamned right. Great post. Thanks. cliffordu Nov 2017 #291

Call to support Al zentrum Nov 2017 #292

The right wing is setting us up; "weaponizing" harassment allegations. Misskittycat Nov 2017 #294

Yes, of course they know. LisaL Nov 2017 #296

You did not have my permission to just waltz into my brain a borrow my thoughts!!!! Brother Buzz Nov 2017 #295

Proud to be rec 517 XRubicon Nov 2017 #301

You decided to step into the minefield... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #302

I also believe ... NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #308

"It was a joke" is a common defense to harassment. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #304

And sadly enough ... NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #307

K&R! JHan Nov 2017 #309

K&R betsuni Nov 2017 #310