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Azathoth

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50. I really hope you don't think this linguistic parsing is going to achieve anything

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:11 PM

Nov 2017

She contends he groped her. Whether she believes the photo shows the exact moment his fingers made physical contact with her breasts, or whether she believes that contact happened right before or right after, is pedantic. She believes he groped her based on the photo. If you keep dancing around this fact, then there is really nothing for us to debate because we have hit a fundamental roadblock.

Either way, I'm curious what you hope to achieve with this picayune linguistic parsing. Even if she had never stated that Franken groped her, a reasonable person could see that photo and wonder if he touched her. What is the harm of Franken telling people the context of the photo and denying there was any contact involved?

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Franken needs to put this thing to rest, one way or the other [View all] Azathoth Nov 2017 OP

Without the investigation, it drops out of the news cycle by Sunday Not Ruth Nov 2017 #1

Louis CK is not a US Senator in a soon-to-be election year Azathoth Nov 2017 #6

NOTHING drops out of the Republican news cycle. VOX Nov 2017 #20

was there not a republican in this mess also.. chillfactor Nov 2017 #2

He will give more details when he's ready. Nt BootinUp Nov 2017 #3

I hope he gets ready soon. Azathoth Nov 2017 #21

The GOP has little to gain from trashing Franken. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #4

If Moore wins and ends up being seated the GOP will drop this like a hot potato. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #7

You really think they are going to run away from this? Azathoth Nov 2017 #18

Yeah, under those circumstances I do. What of it? BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #23

?? I never said Moore wasn't bad for the GOP Azathoth Nov 2017 #24

Yeah because making hay over Franken would make everyone forget about Moore. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #26

WTH are you talking about? Azathoth Nov 2017 #30

Not as much as I love self assured people who somehow believe their flawed logic is profound. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #32

Protip: If my logic is flawed, you have to show *how* it is flawed Azathoth Nov 2017 #35

You must have been a real pillar of support for President Obama during the birther years. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #42

You're incoherent Azathoth Nov 2017 #44

Franken is, next to Warren, one of the most visible progressives in the Senate Azathoth Nov 2017 #10

Your sincere concern is duly noted Gabi Hayes Nov 2017 #5

Yes, drop out. And your clumsy refusal to engage with anything I said is duly noted Azathoth Nov 2017 #11

Why engage with twaddle? Gabi Hayes Nov 2017 #16

lol that's some real projection Azathoth Nov 2017 #59

The photo doesn't look bad at all. woolldog Nov 2017 #8

I know, and its pissing me off..... a kennedy Nov 2017 #9

Was watching Chris Hayes and he had Michelle woolldog Nov 2017 #13

I don't want him to resign BUT mchill Nov 2017 #33

I lived in Mpls when Al was on Air Americaloved that radio show. I have a soft riversedge Nov 2017 #28

Probably fallout87 Nov 2017 #12

most people? woolldog Nov 2017 #14

Yeah fallout87 Nov 2017 #15

nonsense. woolldog Nov 2017 #19

Nope. We don't have to invent false equivalencies to do that. kcr Nov 2017 #22

You're all over this, aren't you, tovarich? rzemanfl Nov 2017 #40

I suppose honest people can disagree, but I really don't think it looks good Azathoth Nov 2017 #17

You guys think Franken will resign? OliverQ Nov 2017 #25

Who said anything about resign? I want him to fight Azathoth Nov 2017 #27

He's getting a lot of pressure to resign, and even being attacked by other Dems. OliverQ Nov 2017 #29

He's under pressure, in part, because he really hasn't pushed back Azathoth Nov 2017 #31

Here- rzemanfl Nov 2017 #36

Here- rzemanfl Nov 2017 #34

This wasn't clever the last few times it was posted, either Azathoth Nov 2017 #39

She does not contend he went on to grope her Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #37

Here Azathoth Nov 2017 #41

That follows this paragraph: Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #43

Oh for God's sake Azathoth Nov 2017 #45

You are misreading plain English. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #46

"He groped me" Azathoth Nov 2017 #48

She is referring to what she saw in the photo. Period. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #49

I really hope you don't think this linguistic parsing is going to achieve anything Azathoth Nov 2017 #50

You flat out deny that the photo shows him touching her breasts. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #54

I said the photo doesn't appear to show him touching her breasts Azathoth Nov 2017 #55

I agree. Asking for an "ethics investigation" without explaining his side now is like a promo for jalan48 Nov 2017 #38

Exactly Azathoth Nov 2017 #47

This is, perhaps, the best objective analysis of the Al Franken situation I have read here on DU. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #51

Thanks! Azathoth Nov 2017 #56

No, not really. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #57

Actually an ethics investigation means everyone will be required to underthematrix Nov 2017 #52

Most congressional investigations involve sworn testimony Azathoth Nov 2017 #53

He's patient and doesn't have a defensive reflex. nt greyl Nov 2017 #58