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Big Blue Marble

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82. I did then

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 07:36 PM

Nov 2017

and I still do. Al Gore would have been a good president. And probably would have
beat George Bush in 2000. We would have avoided the the Iraq War. Saved many lives
and treasure.

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So pissed at Kristen Gillibrand for saying Bill should have resigned [View all] librechik Nov 2017 OP

In HRC's new book What Happened she mention that Gillibrand was a victim of assault. nycbos Nov 2017 #1

I understand. But I still won't vote for her in a primary. The clip of her saying she believed the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #213

Re-Thinking My Thought She Might be Ready for National Stage Stallion Nov 2017 #2

I have re-thought it. She's not. nt jrthin Nov 2017 #78

Me, too. We can do better. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #119

She's lost my support. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #147

Maybe she should have mentioned it took a felony to uncover the consensual R B Garr Nov 2017 #3

She was indicted, but never went to trial. The charges were dropped n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #5

It was still a felony. Felony charges were brought against her. nt R B Garr Nov 2017 #6

And she still did not go to trial and she was not convicted. SFnomad Nov 2017 #9

It was still a felony -- secret wiretapping. That's the point. She R B Garr Nov 2017 #11

And she still did not go to trail and she was not convicted. That is the point, period. SFnomad Nov 2017 #12

ONLY because she received immunity from a Clinton hunter, Ken Starr. R B Garr Nov 2017 #13

It does not matter why. She was not convicted of a felony, period. n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #14

It certainly DOES matter why and it does matter who granted her immunity. R B Garr Nov 2017 #15

Who was never CONVICTED in a court of law. n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #16

Because she got IMMUNITY from KEN STARR. R B Garr Nov 2017 #17

ffs, that is NOT a CONVICTION, period. n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #20

Because she got IMMUNITY from KEN STARR. R B Garr Nov 2017 #23

She was NEVER CONVICTED, period. SFnomad Nov 2017 #24

She got IMMUNITY from KEN STARR. She was indicted on FELONY charges. R B Garr Nov 2017 #25

The charges were not dropped because she received immunity from Starr SFnomad Nov 2017 #29

No, you go ahead and pretend that FELONY wiretapping is not the issue here. And I R B Garr Nov 2017 #31

AND NO COURT FOUND HER GUILTY ... ffs n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #32

BECAUSE SHE GOT IMMUNITY FROM KEN STARR R B Garr Nov 2017 #34

NO, NOT BECAUSE SHE RECEIVED IMMUNITY. SFnomad Nov 2017 #35

NO YOU DIDN'T POST QUOTES, THERE ARE MORE QUOTES R B Garr Nov 2017 #36

Yes I did. But you're free to ignore whatever doesn't match your reality. SFnomad Nov 2017 #38

There are YEARS worth of "quotes" LOL, it was over a YEAR to get the indictment, R B Garr Nov 2017 #40

I'm not rewriting history ... and you don't get to ignore it. SFnomad Nov 2017 #44

It is a historic fact that the tapes were illegally obtained. R B Garr Nov 2017 #46

You dont get to rewrite YEARS of legal wrangling R B Garr Nov 2017 #60

"we" know ... well, let's just throw out the legal system. R B knows better. n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #63

This is factual history now, and lots of people R B Garr Nov 2017 #65

What's factual history is the case was dropped and she was NEVER convicted of a felony n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #67

What is factual history remains that we heard R B Garr Nov 2017 #68

And in our legal system, if you're indicted, but not convicted ... the indictment means nothing SFnomad Nov 2017 #69

The facts remain that the tapes were obtained R B Garr Nov 2017 #70

I'm so glad we don't need a legal system anymore. If it's in the news ... GUILTY as charged. SFnomad Nov 2017 #72

No, what's sad is the stupid red herring that is supposed to be some R B Garr Nov 2017 #73

I have never denied that events did or did not occur. SFnomad Nov 2017 #80

NONE of what you are obsessing about here has to do with the FACT that R B Garr Nov 2017 #84

I'm so glad you can dispense with our court system. She was indicted ... BUT NEVER CONVICTED. SFnomad Nov 2017 #88

Having fun?? Such deliberate obtuseness. She received IMMUNITY, R B Garr Nov 2017 #90

LOTS of people discussing Linda Tripp's IMMUNITY. R B Garr Nov 2017 #91

See if you can answer this question. A mob captain who has killed 12 stevenleser Nov 2017 #204

Of course you're right... but, also wasting your time on this person. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #144

So true. I was just amusing myself at the obtuseness R B Garr Nov 2017 #153

I agree rtracey Nov 2017 #49

Thanks, there were years of legal wrangling. So we are talking R B Garr Nov 2017 #51

The case never went to trial because a judge did not believe the victim. lapucelle Nov 2017 #146

Thanks! Great link, lapucelle. I read through this along with a R B Garr Nov 2017 #161

I heard Mika say yesterday that Bill Clinton lapucelle Nov 2017 #166

Exactly! Lewinsky was their muse/puppet for their blatant power grab. They are R B Garr Nov 2017 #170

And the victim Lewinsky never got her day in court lapucelle Nov 2017 #172

Yes, and walk away she did. It was purely circumstantial manuevering. R B Garr Nov 2017 #176

Lets see if that person can answer my #204 above. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #205

lol, Perfect! That's a perfect analogy. R B Garr Nov 2017 #206

+1 oasis Nov 2017 #175

But she did it...she broke the law and was morally culpable and would have faced jail time Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #215

The charges were NOT dropped because of her immunity. I never said she didn't do it. SFnomad Nov 2017 #219

Are you kidding? It's called IMMUNITY... there's no doubt a felony was COMMITTED though. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #139

ffs, the case was NOT dropped because she got immunity. SFnomad Nov 2017 #185

Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #186

You were saying it was dropped because she was innocent R B Garr Nov 2017 #203

I never said that ... quit lying about me. You're the only one misrepresenting here. n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #209

You were implying that no conviction meant there R B Garr Nov 2017 #212

I did not imply any such thing. Again, quit lying about me. SFnomad Nov 2017 #216

You dont get to rewrite history. R B Garr Nov 2017 #220

You are lying about me, again .... STOP. SFnomad Nov 2017 #221

You dont get to rewrite history. There are years R B Garr Nov 2017 #222

You don't get to continue to lie about me ... so stop it now. SFnomad Nov 2017 #223

You should stop, too. The continued denial R B Garr Nov 2017 #224

You need to stop lying about what I have said. SFnomad Nov 2017 #225

You should quit lying about me, as well. R B Garr Nov 2017 #229

STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I HAVE AND HAVE NOT SAID SFnomad Nov 2017 #230

Quit lying indeed. Saying she wasnt convicted R B Garr Nov 2017 #231

The charges were NOT DROPPED because of any immunity she had SFnomad Nov 2017 #232

There are lots of posts from the prosecutor saying the immunity R B Garr Nov 2017 #233

Buh bye n/t SFnomad Nov 2017 #234

Not quite FBaggins Nov 2017 #126

It was Linda Tripp invested in exposing them R B Garr Nov 2017 #149

I guess she forgot about Clarence Thomas. Cattledog Nov 2017 #4

Yeah, that was my first thought on reading this too. kydo Nov 2017 #140

Not smart. I don't get why she would even go there. It was consensual not sexual harassment. brush Nov 2017 #7

My wife was in the exact same situation where the boss was having a InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #189

A hostile work environment is not hard to understand. A Democrat who accepted backing and... brush Nov 2017 #192

Why throw Sen. Gillibrand under the bus for stating the obvious? InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #193

What is obvious? Clinton did not sexually abuse Lewinsky, the one who showed him her thong. brush Nov 2017 #194

If I have to explain it to you, there's no point in explaining it to you. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #195

What's obvious to me is that you know nothing of the details of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair. brush Nov 2017 #196

What is obvious to me is that you do not know the difference between... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #198

The Clinton/Lewinsky situation was nothing like what you describe. I suggest you research it... brush Nov 2017 #207

Maybe. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #211

She should not have said anything at all about it period. Wait for the investigation and now with Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #217

She got out over her skis with this one. Very disappointed. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #8

I think Sen. Gillibrand nailed a perfect landing in this instance. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #190

Most disagree. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #191

That's fine... my wife worked for a boss who performed sex acts with a staff worker in the office... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #199

I agree with the senator. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #10

I agree too, but for a slightly different reason. Qutzupalotl Nov 2017 #21

Yes because being President who succeeded a resigning President worked so well for Fors Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #129

Why would he resign. Lewinsky says she initiated by showing him her thong. R B Garr Nov 2017 #22

You are saying that Bill was helpless in the presence of a thong? Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #45

Im saying he didnt initiate the contact. He should R B Garr Nov 2017 #48

No, he should have ignored her. N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #50

She might have escalated that risque behavior, R B Garr Nov 2017 #52

And instead he chose to have sex with her mythology Nov 2017 #53

He didnt initiate contact, though. She admitted R B Garr Nov 2017 #59

Due to the nature of inequality, we judge situations differently based on perspective Not Ruth Nov 2017 #127

She admitted she flashed her thong at him. R B Garr Nov 2017 #145

She should have dismissed for SEXUAL HARASSMENT!!! FreeStateDemocrat Nov 2017 #66

I'm with you... there's no doubt Bill Clinton created a hostile work environment. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #54

Yes loyalsister Nov 2017 #87

So well said. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #108

I was blinded by partisanship then loyalsister Nov 2017 #113

Using the model of forgiveness and reconciliation Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #115

I think so loyalsister Nov 2017 #116

As women have gained more economic power Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #117

The only person charged with a crime of which Monica Lewinsky lapucelle Nov 2017 #154

Not sure about the point here loyalsister Nov 2017 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #125

No matter how many excuses you offer for him, Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #168

Agreed. Snackshack Nov 2017 #177

Me too... sorry to say. KG just said what a lot of fellow Democrats are thinking. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #188

hmmm...more attacking of a Democrat...I say no he wouldn't...Trump has assaulted Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #218

You are foolish. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #227

There was a time I thought that Gillibrand would be a great candidate for President or VP.... Pachamama Nov 2017 #18

"I want to know why Gillibrand didn't focus on Donald Trumps admitted assault of women." LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #103

Yes, exactly! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #150

Excellent last paragraph. Couldn't have put it better. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #182

Yeah, she is off my 2020 list for the Democratic nominee...why would she do this? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #19

Because Democrats eat their own while GrOPers laugh. Ligyron Nov 2017 #61

You are so right...and it shows a lack of commitment to our progressive goals. If they Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #122

It also, IMO, a lack of ability to think on her feet by sidestepping an ambush journalist's question brush Nov 2017 #228

That is exactly right...and she gave the Gop stuff for future commercials. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #238

Yep, Bannon is already jumping on her comment to attack Dems and the Clintons brush Nov 2017 #239

President should not be having sex with an intern in the Oval Office oberliner Nov 2017 #26

To say the least! klook Nov 2017 #30

She comes off a bit wishy washy on the Clinton question. oasis Nov 2017 #27

Don't get distracted. HRC just threw some BIGLY shade Trump's way underthematrix Nov 2017 #28

wth are you talking about? Little Star Nov 2017 #33

It pissed me off too - but there were other women who claimed he did lunatica Nov 2017 #37

I will not support her. Bill Clinton was a flawed man. Just like JFK and FDR lunamagica Nov 2017 #39

If you make excuses for Bill, Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Nov 2017 #56

So you think he should have resigned? lunamagica Nov 2017 #58

I did then Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #82

Al Gore would have been a great president, but the biggest mistake he made was to lunamagica Nov 2017 #85

It was consensual, initiated by the adult woman, and they all paid dearly for the foolishness. Hekate Nov 2017 #41

Is there no trap laid for Dems by the VRWC that we will not willingly walk into? LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #105

Both Gillibrand and Warren have been disappointing on this. ananda Nov 2017 #42

Yep! Little Star Nov 2017 #43

Oh, it's called "positioning" and all politicians do it. Bucky Nov 2017 #55

Consenting adults none of our business. Coventina Nov 2017 #57

Well, if Clinton had said, from the start thucythucy Nov 2017 #137

She is my Senator and I don't agree with her. I hated the investigation at the time & voted for him Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #62

Philippe Reines called her out on Twitter octoberlib Nov 2017 #64

This reply should be an OP on its own. eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #162

Scratch another one off my list. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #71

This is why Republicans win. They rarely devour their own. VOX Nov 2017 #74

Well, exactly. LisaL Nov 2017 #135

This. 1000 times this! smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #151

I have to say I was shocked at the vehemence of Gillibrand's attack on Franken. I hope the sun keeps OnDoutside Nov 2017 #75

Attacking fellow Democrats seems to be a counterproductive comradebillyboy Nov 2017 #77

No problem being critical, but this was sticking the boot OnDoutside Nov 2017 #79

Agree Meowmee Nov 2017 #76

Sen Gillibrand panicked and threw Sen Franken TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #81

Fighting for Bill Clinton's reputation is Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #83

Overly-righteous dems like you are the reason TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #86

You do not know what you are talking about! Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #98

+1 Stand and Fight Nov 2017 #124

Please read "The Hunting of the President" pat_k Nov 2017 #94

I will never defend Bill Clinton Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #96

Dream on. Clinton is still very popular. The gratuitous R B Garr Nov 2017 #99

You are the one dreaming. N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #100

The gratuitous Clinton bashing is always substance free, just R B Garr Nov 2017 #102

This has nothing to do with popularity. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #104

Wrong. He already went through the whole impeachment R B Garr Nov 2017 #106

OK, Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #109

Its what is reported about his popularity. Reality. nt R B Garr Nov 2017 #110

that being said bdtrppr6 Nov 2017 #111

At that event where I saw him, Clinton also gave an eloquent R B Garr Nov 2017 #114

Bill was a known quantity in 1992. He should have never been nominated. FarCenter Nov 2017 #89

Jeez. Do you remember the excitement of Clinton/Gore? I do. Gillibrand has shown she's weak. chimpymustgo Nov 2017 #95

So Brown, Tsongas, or Kerrey could not have won? FarCenter Nov 2017 #97

no bdtrppr6 Nov 2017 #112

He accomplished a lot as President, despite the impeachment. We were lucky to have him. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #120

I could understand it if... pat_k Nov 2017 #92

well said, thanks! librechik Nov 2017 #93

She was 24 in 1997 and our POTUS was over 50 BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #136

I read that to mean Gillibrand was 30. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2017 #141

Oh...why would that matter? BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #142

Gillibrand was old enough in 1997 to know better. pat_k Nov 2017 #201

Read the "Hunting of the President" pat_k Nov 2017 #200

My issue with Kirstin RandySF Nov 2017 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Nov 2017 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #118

Not me. Lunabell Nov 2017 #121

I agree janterry Nov 2017 #130

Well, we agree again. Lunabell Nov 2017 #197

While I understand the desire to take a stronger line on sexual assault and harassment... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #123

I am getting the sense of a "bandwagon" effect. madaboutharry Nov 2017 #128

I dont think he should have resigned over Monica forthemiddle Nov 2017 #131

If it happened today, there would be calls for the president to resign oberliner Nov 2017 #132

Its not an unreasonable thing to say and she is not alone. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #133

You know we have a problem GaryCnf Nov 2017 #134

Epic tone deafness borne out of defending the indefensible BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #143

Excellent thoughts apcalc Nov 2017 #148

This is just so naive it's absurd. Clinton's main "problem" was that he was an R B Garr Nov 2017 #158

I specifically did not GaryCnf Nov 2017 #163

Actually I said in another part of the thread that Bill Clinton should have fired Lewinsky. R B Garr Nov 2017 #167

I guess sexist GaryCnf Nov 2017 #169

This is just an example of hyper-vernacular. If you cram enough of those words R B Garr Nov 2017 #171

As opposed to receiving GaryCnf Nov 2017 #173

Firing her would have prevented any further interaction and certainly R B Garr Nov 2017 #174

So what other GaryCnf Nov 2017 #180

"sex with their intern" She flashed her thong at him in the workplace. R B Garr Nov 2017 #181

Did I not type clearly GaryCnf Nov 2017 #183

LOL, speaking of denial. I said she should have been R B Garr Nov 2017 #187

Narrative triumphs over idealism Not Ruth Nov 2017 #160

Yea, it is "triumphing" brilliantly GaryCnf Nov 2017 #164

It was consensual. That said, apcalc Nov 2017 #138

President Gore mainstreetonce Nov 2017 #152

Gore might have won decisively as an incumbent. FarCenter Nov 2017 #155

Rewriting history mainstreetonce Nov 2017 #156

Or lost a la Ford. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #159

Our attitudes as a nation have PDittie Nov 2017 #157

Our attitudes as species have evolved, America is behind/ahead of some other parts of the world Not Ruth Nov 2017 #178

How many trying to salvage Bill's rep would be okay with a professor and student sleeping together? Jake Stern Nov 2017 #179

The consensual affair was nobodys business. The lying under oath was everybodys. MadDAsHell Nov 2017 #184

An affair between the POTUS and an intern... HopeAgain Nov 2017 #202

What they are moving away from... pat_k Nov 2017 #208

So do those books say HopeAgain Nov 2017 #214

I agree it certainly is improper. LisaL Nov 2017 #210

She didn't do herself any favors, IMO. Laffy Kat Nov 2017 #226

All I know is this customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #235

Not me. I admire Gillibrand for stating this. RelativelyJones Nov 2017 #236

It's the timing that sucks DFW Nov 2017 #237