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ecstatic

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Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:59 PM Nov 2017

What if "the kiss" was less sinister and more of a tragic miscommunication? [View all]

Update: Abort post! Didn't know he was married at the time. Nevermind!

One thing I learned long ago is that most men tend to have huge egos and a lot of them will mistakenly think that you're into them if you're nice or even cordial towards them. And I'm not saying that to be disparaging, it's obviously a crucial evolutionary survival trait.

In this case, I think (based on experiences I've had) that Tweeden was on a COMPLETELY different page from Franken, so much so that she didn't have a guard up and didn't even realize that she needed to give him cues to back off. In those cases, you're going to feel all the emotions that she says she felt because it's so unexpected and so shocking.

In other words, both of these statements could be true:

1) Tweeden's emotional reaction to the incident are completely valid from her perspective, but

2) Franken wasn't being a Trump-style creep who just kisses and gropes random women because "he can."
Perhaps Franken was guilty of thinking he had a chance with a woman who he had regular interaction with? A woman who he mistakenly assumed he was forming a personal connection with?

If someone believes that his or her relationship with someone is moving to the next level, is it OK to go in for a kiss? That's something that we as a society would need to clear up right now, in light of the current Predator Purge. New rules for how to go in for a kiss with someone you're already well acquainted with would change the dating game, for sure. Sometimes taking the initiative to have a first kiss is the only way out of the friend zone, if that makes sense.


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Franken has been happily and faithfully married for many years. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #1
There is nothing funny about forcibly sticking your tongue in somebody's mouth against their will oberliner Nov 2017 #2
It's not funny and I didn't say it was. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #5
Totally with you on this dflprincess Nov 2017 #27
We don't really know he did that - Al said he remembers it differently than she does womanofthehills Nov 2017 #6
There's nothing funny about posing women while they'reunconscious and taking pictures of them either FBaggins Nov 2017 #7
And he's acknowledged that and apologized. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #8
And yet he then posed an unconscious woman and took a photo FBaggins Nov 2017 #11
So what do YOU think should be done with him? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #29
Nothing at all FBaggins Nov 2017 #32
I dont think she was sleeping riverwalker Nov 2017 #13
People don't ever sleep on planes at 5pm? FBaggins Nov 2017 #15
If you're talking about the photo, we don't know the circumstances. For all we know, pnwmom Nov 2017 #17
So Franken is lying? FBaggins Nov 2017 #18
Eleven years later his memory of the incident is probably not crystal clear. pnwmom Nov 2017 #19
That's laughable spin that actually makes him look worse FBaggins Nov 2017 #20
His hands weren't actually touching the vest -- he was pretending. But even pretending about sexual pnwmom Nov 2017 #25
He says he doesn't remember it the way she does. You trust her description 100%. I don't. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #16
That's if we believe her MFM008 Nov 2017 #33
Oops OK. I didn't know he was married. That changes things. nt ecstatic Nov 2017 #4
I think that is quite possible. Listening to Tweeden and her acceptance of apology, Hoyt Nov 2017 #3
No, it's ridiculous. Franken has been married for more than 40 years The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #10
Not sure that is evidence. Moore has bee married awhile too, as have most adulterers. Hoyt Nov 2017 #12
Here's my take pat_k Nov 2017 #9
Interesting. I think an important take away is ecstatic Nov 2017 #14
Nice! MichMary Nov 2017 #21
including Trump...but this person is a fox contributor... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #23
She is a right wing BS artist and a Fox news contributor....it is a hit job so let's ignore it. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #22
You do know the 'kiss' was part of the show right? She is an actress albeit not a good one. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #24
Whatever it was/is, one thing is for sure. The story coming out when it did is rzemanfl Nov 2017 #26
Men have never had to read women well. They hold all the power and money. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #28
The kiss MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #30
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