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78. Wrong. DU is full of people who can distinguish between DEGREES of misbehavior,

Sat Nov 18, 2017, 05:23 PM

Nov 2017

and see the shadows on a picture of "groping" that show it was only pretend groping.

Yes, Franken was wrong to participate in a gag about sexual assault. Sexual assault isn't funny.

And if she made her feelings clear that she didn't want to be kissed, then he was wrong to force a kiss on her.

But these offenses in no way compare to what has been alleged of Weinstein, Spacey, Moore, and Trump.

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What has DU come to we have numerous posts excusing alleged sexual misconduct [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

Wrong. Again. ret5hd Nov 2017 #1

as usual heaven05 Nov 2017 #9

+1 bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #74

Ok bring out your moral compass so we can all live by it wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #2

Don't forcibly kiss women against their will oberliner Nov 2017 #4

He did not admit to that, he apologized for the picture. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #26

So you think she is lying? oberliner Nov 2017 #34

I definitely think she is lying. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #41

Is it because of her politics that you think she is lying? oberliner Nov 2017 #43

There are a number of reasons, her politics are arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #46

What are some of the top reasons? oberliner Nov 2017 #48

Her interviews, the USO video of the actual event, arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #53

Do you have a link to the USO video of the actual event? oberliner Nov 2017 #58

It was posted on DU this morning in GD. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #62

She was on Hannity's show FOR A WHOLE YEAR womanofthehills Nov 2017 #143

Her politics give her a motive to lie treestar Nov 2017 #90

Exactly, her motives are highly questionable. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #132

Yep--I think so as well pandr32 Nov 2017 #60

I think she is lying too. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73

He kissed her forcefully. Control-Z Nov 2017 #68

Look we are all aware of what we should do wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #61

No...she was being paid to do a job as an actress...if she didn't want to kiss him which was in the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72

She said dhe finally agreed to the kiss for practicing the skit. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #121

I wonder if this photo was against her will too? womanofthehills Nov 2017 #131

This was consensual by both parties customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #136

Don't be a juvenile immature asshat, in Franken's case. moriah Nov 2017 #18

It gets me that some here the need to tell wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #124

You asked, I answered. Offended easily? Nt moriah Nov 2017 #125

Not offended st all just don't think folks like you wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #140

False. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #3

i wish people were half as interested in the actual counting of votes questionseverything Nov 2017 #67

That is the disturbing question. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #5

Thanks for this post oberliner Nov 2017 #6

Exactly, well stated. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #13

When we mention facts which tend to cast doubt on Ms. Tweeden's account, you say we are Atticus Nov 2017 #100

+1000 Cattledog Nov 2017 #105

What do you mean we have too much time on our hands? Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #117

You are disturbed because many here are not reacting in the way you want them to ... crosinski Nov 2017 #110

Of course I have not control how others think. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #115

So, when others don't think as you do, maybe you can give them room for that. crosinski Nov 2017 #119

Bullshit greeny2323 Nov 2017 #7

Yes nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #16

Immediate judgment and Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #17

I don't believe her MFM008 Nov 2017 #8

I dont believe her either. Just because Im a woman doesnt mean arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #35

i am as well MFM008 Nov 2017 #137

Shes the selfish female who makes true victims that much arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #138

A consensual kiss is not misconduct... pbmus Nov 2017 #10

It wasn't consensual oberliner Nov 2017 #15

I said OK so he would stop badgering me. .. pbmus Nov 2017 #21

No, she did not consent to have him stick his tongue into her mouth oberliner Nov 2017 #24

In her own words said ok to rehearsing a kiss... pbmus Nov 2017 #29

This has got to be a parody oberliner Nov 2017 #40

Parody... pbmus Nov 2017 #49

I had a few posts arguing that Dems were hypocrites for excusing Franken's behavior ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #88

Only on Saturday in the middle of November... pbmus Nov 2017 #91

No idea if you are a Fox News fan or not ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #94

Facts are difficult for Fox News fans ... pbmus Nov 2017 #97

Right ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #98

You dont have to move on, I just put you on ignore... pbmus Nov 2017 #99

Smart move. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #139

It was consensual. woolldog Nov 2017 #33

No it wasn't oberliner Nov 2017 #38

Not sure the length of the thrust of the tongue... pbmus Nov 2017 #51

OK, let's go down this rabbit hole for a moment. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #71

why do you believe her so faithfully? treestar Nov 2017 #96

We only have her word. liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #102

Theres a bunch of videos of her riverwalker Nov 2017 #104

If any of those guys make a complaint (well, apart from Williams), wake me up. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #135

"I said OK so he would stop badgering me ..." Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #32

Coercion... pbmus Nov 2017 #37

Badgering: "repeatedly and annoyingly ask (someone) to do something" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #47

So the story has gone from... pbmus Nov 2017 #69

Well, Franken chose to make it an ethics issue. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #79

True...and Clarence (the pervert) Thomas is a primo example... pbmus Nov 2017 #82

*Shudder* Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #83

We must all revisit Clarence and ask ourselves WHY ... pbmus Nov 2017 #84

Well, it's not MY court (I'm in Scotland), Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #85

That is absolutely not consent mythology Nov 2017 #39

Consent... pbmus Nov 2017 #44

He said he remembered the kiss differently. Why not wait for the investigation he called for... brush Nov 2017 #36

Let's see lapfog_1 Nov 2017 #42

This is a good summary. n/t Beartracks Nov 2017 #55

Roy Moore molested the 14-year-old--while both had underwear on. Rape involves tblue37 Nov 2017 #123

Did this even happen? pandr32 Nov 2017 #81

hahahahahahahaha bluestarone Nov 2017 #142

Hmmmmmmmmmmm malaise Nov 2017 #11

Any such posts are despicable oberliner Nov 2017 #25

That is a much different situation, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #28

Part of the problem is that there is not one thing that represents sexual harrassnent Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #12

There is no equivalency being suggested here oberliner Nov 2017 #19

Yes it is a lesser offense, but still doesn't make it right. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #20

The original discussion was about child molestation and sexual assault by a District Attorney who's underthematrix Nov 2017 #14

Tweeden alleged that Franken forcibly kissed her (with his tongue) against her will oberliner Nov 2017 #22

No that's not what Tweeden said underthematrix Nov 2017 #57

I Object To A 2 Second Kiss Being Called Sexual SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #59

Correct, so then why.... LisaM Nov 2017 #63

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!! nt njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #23

Because not all acts of sexual misconduct are the same. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #27

Agreed oberliner Nov 2017 #31

Exactly. If he were a Republican, I would also say this is not comparable to Moore's acts. Chemisse Nov 2017 #45

Nothing and nobody should be above suspicion Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2017 #30

Sexual Misconduct? SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #50

Forcibly kissing someone with one's tongue against their objections is sexual misconduct oberliner Nov 2017 #56

She Really Built That Account Up SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #64

Curious - assuming this did in fact happen, what is the usual penalty in criminal bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #75

You want to be duped by the GOP fine...but don't try to force it on the rest of us...standard Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #76

Fuck. This. Shit. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #52

Its a hit job by the repugs. cwydro Nov 2017 #54

Proportion is important here MatthewG. Nov 2017 #65

Whatever was really going on, could be considered inappropriate behavior even if the woman brewens Nov 2017 #66

I beg to differ. Control-Z Nov 2017 #92

I would disagree...I am not falling for a put up job by Hannity and Republicans and then we turn Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70

It's *alleged* Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #77

Wrong. DU is full of people who can distinguish between DEGREES of misbehavior, pnwmom Nov 2017 #78

"DU is full of people who can distinguish between DEGREES of misbehavior" bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #80

And they're the ones that make want to scream. Pathwalker Nov 2017 #87

just wanted to say,i am so sorry for what you went thru questionseverything Nov 2017 #112

I suspect at least some of the over the top, self-righteous outrage tblue37 Nov 2017 #127

I dont accept the believe all victims bullshit Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #86

The key word here ornotna Nov 2017 #89

This Lunabell Nov 2017 #93

It's disappointing loyalsister Nov 2017 #95

Are you implying that every victim of alleged sexual misconduct Mr. Ected Nov 2017 #101

Franken has not denied anything he was accused of oberliner Nov 2017 #103

It's called a polite denial. He "doesn't remember it the same way", but... moriah Nov 2017 #111

Here's a c/p of my take, from another post. moriah Nov 2017 #108

Its not about sexual assault riverwalker Nov 2017 #106

I think your OP is a straw-man. I haven't seen any posts excusing sexual misconduct. stevenleser Nov 2017 #107

Ah, maybe a diverse place with many differing opinions. Cattledog Nov 2017 #109

Yes Cattledog. I've come to the same conclusion! crosinski Nov 2017 #114

Franken's first response after hearing about the charge was "that's not how I remember it." Vinca Nov 2017 #113

People can't French kiss unless both mouths are open blueinredohio Nov 2017 #116

Shhhh. You are talking about a member of the women's team. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #126

Perhaps Super Al Franken's got a tounge of steel? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #118

this. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #120

I don't know maxrandb Nov 2017 #122

i dont approve of public shaming of anyone EXCEPT trump and his.. samnsara Nov 2017 #128

lol bigtree Nov 2017 #129

bullshit. What Al Franken did was inappropriate behavior, and he apologized for it, it was still_one Nov 2017 #130

No one is excusing anything. NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #133

Well said. nt Atticus Nov 2017 #134

It's not excusing it; it's pointing out that this act is not equivalent to others. alarimer Nov 2017 #141

Trump will not be competent to stand trial Gothmog Nov 2017 #144