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moriah

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108. Here's a c/p of my take, from another post.

Sat Nov 18, 2017, 06:17 PM

Nov 2017

We just have to be willing to have an open mind and *listen* to any alleged victim.

Whether, after trying to take your own emotions about the accused or the alleged victim out of your reasoning process, and after listening to what they have to say, you believe them....

... that's something completely different.

All people making allegations should be heard out with an open mind. But an "open mind" doesn't necessarily mean the intellect must be totally tossed out, either. More effectively, emotion is what should be be discarded for that moment.

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What has DU come to we have numerous posts excusing alleged sexual misconduct [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

Wrong. Again. ret5hd Nov 2017 #1

as usual heaven05 Nov 2017 #9

+1 bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #74

Ok bring out your moral compass so we can all live by it wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #2

Don't forcibly kiss women against their will oberliner Nov 2017 #4

He did not admit to that, he apologized for the picture. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #26

So you think she is lying? oberliner Nov 2017 #34

I definitely think she is lying. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #41

Is it because of her politics that you think she is lying? oberliner Nov 2017 #43

There are a number of reasons, her politics are arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #46

What are some of the top reasons? oberliner Nov 2017 #48

Her interviews, the USO video of the actual event, arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #53

Do you have a link to the USO video of the actual event? oberliner Nov 2017 #58

It was posted on DU this morning in GD. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #62

She was on Hannity's show FOR A WHOLE YEAR womanofthehills Nov 2017 #143

Her politics give her a motive to lie treestar Nov 2017 #90

Exactly, her motives are highly questionable. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #132

Yep--I think so as well pandr32 Nov 2017 #60

I think she is lying too. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73

He kissed her forcefully. Control-Z Nov 2017 #68

Look we are all aware of what we should do wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #61

No...she was being paid to do a job as an actress...if she didn't want to kiss him which was in the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72

She said dhe finally agreed to the kiss for practicing the skit. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #121

I wonder if this photo was against her will too? womanofthehills Nov 2017 #131

This was consensual by both parties customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #136

Don't be a juvenile immature asshat, in Franken's case. moriah Nov 2017 #18

It gets me that some here the need to tell wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #124

You asked, I answered. Offended easily? Nt moriah Nov 2017 #125

Not offended st all just don't think folks like you wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #140

False. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #3

i wish people were half as interested in the actual counting of votes questionseverything Nov 2017 #67

That is the disturbing question. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #5

Thanks for this post oberliner Nov 2017 #6

Exactly, well stated. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #13

When we mention facts which tend to cast doubt on Ms. Tweeden's account, you say we are Atticus Nov 2017 #100

+1000 Cattledog Nov 2017 #105

What do you mean we have too much time on our hands? Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #117

You are disturbed because many here are not reacting in the way you want them to ... crosinski Nov 2017 #110

Of course I have not control how others think. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #115

So, when others don't think as you do, maybe you can give them room for that. crosinski Nov 2017 #119

Bullshit greeny2323 Nov 2017 #7

Yes nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #16

Immediate judgment and Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #17

I don't believe her MFM008 Nov 2017 #8

I dont believe her either. Just because Im a woman doesnt mean arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #35

i am as well MFM008 Nov 2017 #137

Shes the selfish female who makes true victims that much arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #138

A consensual kiss is not misconduct... pbmus Nov 2017 #10

It wasn't consensual oberliner Nov 2017 #15

I said OK so he would stop badgering me. .. pbmus Nov 2017 #21

No, she did not consent to have him stick his tongue into her mouth oberliner Nov 2017 #24

In her own words said ok to rehearsing a kiss... pbmus Nov 2017 #29

This has got to be a parody oberliner Nov 2017 #40

Parody... pbmus Nov 2017 #49

I had a few posts arguing that Dems were hypocrites for excusing Franken's behavior ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #88

Only on Saturday in the middle of November... pbmus Nov 2017 #91

No idea if you are a Fox News fan or not ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #94

Facts are difficult for Fox News fans ... pbmus Nov 2017 #97

Right ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #98

You dont have to move on, I just put you on ignore... pbmus Nov 2017 #99

Smart move. arthritisR_US Nov 2017 #139

It was consensual. woolldog Nov 2017 #33

No it wasn't oberliner Nov 2017 #38

Not sure the length of the thrust of the tongue... pbmus Nov 2017 #51

OK, let's go down this rabbit hole for a moment. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #71

why do you believe her so faithfully? treestar Nov 2017 #96

We only have her word. liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #102

Theres a bunch of videos of her riverwalker Nov 2017 #104

If any of those guys make a complaint (well, apart from Williams), wake me up. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #135

"I said OK so he would stop badgering me ..." Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #32

Coercion... pbmus Nov 2017 #37

Badgering: "repeatedly and annoyingly ask (someone) to do something" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #47

So the story has gone from... pbmus Nov 2017 #69

Well, Franken chose to make it an ethics issue. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #79

True...and Clarence (the pervert) Thomas is a primo example... pbmus Nov 2017 #82

*Shudder* Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #83

We must all revisit Clarence and ask ourselves WHY ... pbmus Nov 2017 #84

Well, it's not MY court (I'm in Scotland), Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #85

That is absolutely not consent mythology Nov 2017 #39

Consent... pbmus Nov 2017 #44

He said he remembered the kiss differently. Why not wait for the investigation he called for... brush Nov 2017 #36

Let's see lapfog_1 Nov 2017 #42

This is a good summary. n/t Beartracks Nov 2017 #55

Roy Moore molested the 14-year-old--while both had underwear on. Rape involves tblue37 Nov 2017 #123

Did this even happen? pandr32 Nov 2017 #81

hahahahahahahaha bluestarone Nov 2017 #142

Hmmmmmmmmmmm malaise Nov 2017 #11

Any such posts are despicable oberliner Nov 2017 #25

That is a much different situation, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #28

Part of the problem is that there is not one thing that represents sexual harrassnent Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #12

There is no equivalency being suggested here oberliner Nov 2017 #19

Yes it is a lesser offense, but still doesn't make it right. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #20

The original discussion was about child molestation and sexual assault by a District Attorney who's underthematrix Nov 2017 #14

Tweeden alleged that Franken forcibly kissed her (with his tongue) against her will oberliner Nov 2017 #22

No that's not what Tweeden said underthematrix Nov 2017 #57

I Object To A 2 Second Kiss Being Called Sexual SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #59

Correct, so then why.... LisaM Nov 2017 #63

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!! nt njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #23

Because not all acts of sexual misconduct are the same. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #27

Agreed oberliner Nov 2017 #31

Exactly. If he were a Republican, I would also say this is not comparable to Moore's acts. Chemisse Nov 2017 #45

Nothing and nobody should be above suspicion Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2017 #30

Sexual Misconduct? SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #50

Forcibly kissing someone with one's tongue against their objections is sexual misconduct oberliner Nov 2017 #56

She Really Built That Account Up SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #64

Curious - assuming this did in fact happen, what is the usual penalty in criminal bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #75

You want to be duped by the GOP fine...but don't try to force it on the rest of us...standard Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #76

Fuck. This. Shit. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #52

Its a hit job by the repugs. cwydro Nov 2017 #54

Proportion is important here MatthewG. Nov 2017 #65

Whatever was really going on, could be considered inappropriate behavior even if the woman brewens Nov 2017 #66

I beg to differ. Control-Z Nov 2017 #92

I would disagree...I am not falling for a put up job by Hannity and Republicans and then we turn Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70

It's *alleged* Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #77

Wrong. DU is full of people who can distinguish between DEGREES of misbehavior, pnwmom Nov 2017 #78

"DU is full of people who can distinguish between DEGREES of misbehavior" bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #80

And they're the ones that make want to scream. Pathwalker Nov 2017 #87

just wanted to say,i am so sorry for what you went thru questionseverything Nov 2017 #112

I suspect at least some of the over the top, self-righteous outrage tblue37 Nov 2017 #127

I dont accept the believe all victims bullshit Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #86

The key word here ornotna Nov 2017 #89

This Lunabell Nov 2017 #93

It's disappointing loyalsister Nov 2017 #95

Are you implying that every victim of alleged sexual misconduct Mr. Ected Nov 2017 #101

Franken has not denied anything he was accused of oberliner Nov 2017 #103

It's called a polite denial. He "doesn't remember it the same way", but... moriah Nov 2017 #111

Here's a c/p of my take, from another post. moriah Nov 2017 #108

Its not about sexual assault riverwalker Nov 2017 #106

I think your OP is a straw-man. I haven't seen any posts excusing sexual misconduct. stevenleser Nov 2017 #107

Ah, maybe a diverse place with many differing opinions. Cattledog Nov 2017 #109

Yes Cattledog. I've come to the same conclusion! crosinski Nov 2017 #114

Franken's first response after hearing about the charge was "that's not how I remember it." Vinca Nov 2017 #113

People can't French kiss unless both mouths are open blueinredohio Nov 2017 #116

Shhhh. You are talking about a member of the women's team. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #126

Perhaps Super Al Franken's got a tounge of steel? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #118

this. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #120

I don't know maxrandb Nov 2017 #122

i dont approve of public shaming of anyone EXCEPT trump and his.. samnsara Nov 2017 #128

lol bigtree Nov 2017 #129

bullshit. What Al Franken did was inappropriate behavior, and he apologized for it, it was still_one Nov 2017 #130

No one is excusing anything. NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #133

Well said. nt Atticus Nov 2017 #134

It's not excusing it; it's pointing out that this act is not equivalent to others. alarimer Nov 2017 #141

Trump will not be competent to stand trial Gothmog Nov 2017 #144