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GoneOffShore

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76. And that's what's going on.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

Here's the take from Richard Bey's Facebook feed - bolding is mine.

Why I find the Tweeden-Franken scandal fishy:

1. Tweeden was not groped. Period.
2. Whether he forcefully kissed her during a rehearsal for a raunchy sketch SHE HAD AGREED TO with a kiss SHE HAD AGREED TO is a point of contention. She agreed to the kiss in the skit but secretly was going to do something different during the performance. I've acted in 100's of plays and skits, what do you think would happen if I suddenly changed my mind about an integral point of business during the performance?
3. There is a reason you don't see Roy Moore's accusers on every news show. They have nothing to gain from exposure. There is a reason why Tweeden seems to be omnipresent everywhere in the media.
4. In her statement she refers to her father a Vietnam Veteran and her husband a NG pilot. What does that have to do with the incident? Its an appeal to establish credibility with her base...as so many hide behind the military to establish credibility.
5. Referring to her as news anchor, ignoring the fact that she was clearly working for an aggressive partisan group also only tells a small part of who she is. Leaving out how she marketed herself as a sexual object for a decade and during this time is as disingenuous as leaving out how Franken used to make his living.
6. Sure, she was inspired by Representative Spier, a Democrat and strong advocate for women's rights. Yeah, right. We will expect Tweeden's endorsement for her in 2018 against a Republican.
7. As seen in the Stern tape, Tweeden enjoyed being part of juvenile, raunchy humor, talking about feeling up her breasts and laughingly showing off her 'butt crack' when asked. But that was not a violation. Right.
8. Will Tweeden be apologizing for contributing to and profiting from the sexual objectification of all women for a decade?
9. It appears that every raunchy or dark joke Franken ever spoke, from college to SNL, in a lifetime as a comedian, is now ready for publication. The oppo research was ready for a dump.
8. The only other accuser is ANOTHER right-wing radio host. The headlines call it 'harassment'...implying that it was sexual harassment, but it has to do with politics and nothing sexual.

Questions:
1. The skit was performed AFTER the rehearsal obviously. And assumedly many, many times since they were on tour. What happened when the kiss came up during those ensuing performances?
2. Tweeden said many people told her at the time to keep quiet because Franken (a radio host at Air America) was such a show business force he could destroy her career. Who were these people? Can we expect to hear from them and have them named?
3. Who took this picture? What were the circumstances? Who else was there?
4. If it was truly seen as a sexual assault why was she given a copy of it?
5. Who alerted Roger Stone the night before that this was coming?
6. It appears Tweeden was a support of birtherism in relationship to President Obama? Will she also speak out for the 16 women who accuse Trump of actual sexual assault, actually touching them inappropriately? If not, why not?
7. If this is a question of character and not a one off puerility...where are the other accusers? In EVERY case, from Louis CK to Harvey Weinstein to Trump to Moore to Spacey there are MANY accusers to build a case suggesting the nefarious sexual character of the men. A description of character involves PATTERNS of behavior. Where are they?

Feel free to add any that I have left out. Or refute it or disagree I've been warned by some friends to be silent...because this might not shine a good light on me. And most Democrats seem to have caved almost immediately but IMO, this whole thing smells very fishy.

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The police don't really get involved in these affairs. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #1
Well, some do. Control-Z Nov 2017 #13
No and if you are suggesting the bullshit set up job about Franken...that he did something illegal I Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #65
Of course they do, if laws are broken. yardwork Nov 2017 #55
What laws might those be? I have never heard of anyone going to jail for a kiss which by the way Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #66
Oh I agree. I see no evidence of laws being broken in this case. yardwork Nov 2017 #80
I was assaulted twice in my life...once as a teen. I managed to escape ...one of Moore's Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #81
I am sorry that those people did those things to you. yardwork Nov 2017 #85
Thank you. One of the healing things I was told in therapy was to realize that it wasn't my fault. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #97
Likely not. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #2
They are not going to go down without a fight. LisaL Nov 2017 #4
That's why we need to seize every advantage and not give them any. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #6
Unless everyone elected is as pure as driven snow, how do you do that, exactly? LisaL Nov 2017 #8
The Deplorables are looking for any incident, no matter how small to muddy the waters. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #10
And when they can't find an incident they make one up. FuzzyRabbit Nov 2017 #42
Yep...the continual demonization of Democrats is disheartening. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #67
Assault With A Deadly Tongue SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #3
He would have been sentenced to film STUART SAVES HIS FAMILY. Whoops! n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #5
No. Perhaps incivil but not illegal. Shrike47 Nov 2017 #7
It would depend on the jurisdiction but probably not. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #9
If it rose to sexual harrassment, could face civil liability. pat_k Nov 2017 #11
Would they have to return to Afghanistan for the trial? IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #14
I'm not an attorney, but I think an actual victim (i.e., not Tweeden)... pat_k Nov 2017 #32
It all reeks and I don't want to see Franken hobbled in any way. IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #59
Me too. pat_k Nov 2017 #62
I agree with your every word. Control-Z Nov 2017 #91
Depends on your point of view PJMcK Nov 2017 #12
It doesn't matter loyalsister Nov 2017 #15
That was not my point. Control-Z Nov 2017 #23
Did Moore? Really not the point. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #16
Yes, if the woman's account is accurate. former9thward Nov 2017 #17
That's a tort, not a crime. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #18
It would be a tort for civil purposes. former9thward Nov 2017 #22
No, it is not criminal assault. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #29
It is a crime in Illinois and Arizona where I practice. former9thward Nov 2017 #38
Look for yourself: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #44
So I can go up to someone in MN former9thward Nov 2017 #52
I have a friend who was raped in Illinois...I was born at Great Lakes parents in the Navy... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #68
Al Franken is being tried in the public square. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #43
So she says. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #47
Different burden of proof- only more likely than not. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #49
I don't buy that...she is a Hannity plant and I have seen pics of her at the time...she was not Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #69
And that's what's going on. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #76
Thank you Velveteen for stating fact. Cattledog Nov 2017 #24
Not a fact. former9thward Nov 2017 #40
There is no evidence that her account is accurate, other than her own say-so. pnwmom Nov 2017 #21
There is no trial here is there? former9thward Nov 2017 #25
If her story is taken at face value, she gave consent unblock Nov 2017 #31
Again - no, it would not be a crime. It could be a tort. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #33
What facts? There are no facts, just a couple assertions. And no prosecutor pnwmom Nov 2017 #36
Sounds like the Moore defense. former9thward Nov 2017 #41
It's nothing like the Moore defense. All of Moore's accusers had witnesses pnwmom Nov 2017 #48
Please don't invent witnesses. former9thward Nov 2017 #54
That's true. Confiding in somebody, especially some time later, doesn't make that somebody a witness LisaL Nov 2017 #58
I didn't. Not all witnesses are eye-witnesses. In fact, that almost never happens pnwmom Nov 2017 #64
I don't believe it would be admissible as evidence, because wouldn't it be considered hearsay? LisaL Nov 2017 #77
Words are hearsay. But descriptions of a victim's emotional state aren't. pnwmom Nov 2017 #78
Big difference to try to rape a child...then to kiss an actress during a skit...but attacking Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70
The question was if he would be charged Bradical79 Nov 2017 #83
This is from Dr. Zhivago LeftInTX Nov 2017 #95
Franken did not break the law. trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #19
No prosecutor would ever have taken this case. pnwmom Nov 2017 #20
No. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #26
He didnt touch her in the photo and denies the kiss. eom blimablam Nov 2017 #27
If she'd reported it at the time, the USO might have taken some action under its own rules. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #28
Exactly, she consented to a kiss that is a fact. I guess she expected a peck on the cheek Cattledog Nov 2017 #34
We just don't know what happened between the two of them. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #45
Doubtful...the service people there at the time back Franken up...she is a liar and a righty plant. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #71
AFAIK, nobody's identified any "service people there at the time" yet, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #74
there have been several posts about it...and one or two posted on Facebook...you want to believe Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #75
I asked for a link. You apparently don't have any. Who's believing bullshit now? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #79
There are lots of links and stories on DU and other places...you have to want to not know...and I Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #82
There are lots of links to anonymous claims on Twitter. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #84
Roy Moore molested a child, assaulted a teenager The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #30
No. Control-Z Nov 2017 #37
This whole discussion is stupid. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #46
I know a few people have misinterpreted my questions Control-Z Nov 2017 #86
It isn't sexual anything...it is an idea cooked up by the rightwing smear machine to Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72
No. ananda Nov 2017 #35
tweeden says " I told a few of the others on the tour what Franken had done and they knew how I felt blimablam Nov 2017 #39
What I don't understand is why this incident did not come to light The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #51
No they don't exist ...and during the investigation...the Senate is sure to call her as a witness Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73
btw Tweeden said she told other people right away. Has anybody come forward yet? blimablam Nov 2017 #50
Honestly blue cat Nov 2017 #53
Please read past #86. eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #87
No. pamdb Nov 2017 #56
I feel the same. Control-Z Nov 2017 #88
No... Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #57
Thank you for your reply. Control-Z Nov 2017 #89
Based on my state's law, only if his hands contacted the vest. So no. moriah Nov 2017 #60
No. Snackshack Nov 2017 #61
That is a ridiculous question an the answer is no. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #63
Please read past #86. eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #90
I hoped you thought my state's law post was interesting. moriah Nov 2017 #92
Thank you for this post. Control-Z Nov 2017 #93
Our laws are completely backwards in many ways. moriah Nov 2017 #94
No Gothmog Nov 2017 #96
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