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In reply to the discussion: Did Al Franken do anything illegal? [View all]GoneOffShore
(18,018 posts)76. And that's what's going on.
Here's the take from Richard Bey's Facebook feed - bolding is mine.
Why I find the Tweeden-Franken scandal fishy:
1. Tweeden was not groped. Period.
2. Whether he forcefully kissed her during a rehearsal for a raunchy sketch SHE HAD AGREED TO with a kiss SHE HAD AGREED TO is a point of contention. She agreed to the kiss in the skit but secretly was going to do something different during the performance. I've acted in 100's of plays and skits, what do you think would happen if I suddenly changed my mind about an integral point of business during the performance?
3. There is a reason you don't see Roy Moore's accusers on every news show. They have nothing to gain from exposure. There is a reason why Tweeden seems to be omnipresent everywhere in the media.
4. In her statement she refers to her father a Vietnam Veteran and her husband a NG pilot. What does that have to do with the incident? Its an appeal to establish credibility with her base...as so many hide behind the military to establish credibility.
5. Referring to her as news anchor, ignoring the fact that she was clearly working for an aggressive partisan group also only tells a small part of who she is. Leaving out how she marketed herself as a sexual object for a decade and during this time is as disingenuous as leaving out how Franken used to make his living.
6. Sure, she was inspired by Representative Spier, a Democrat and strong advocate for women's rights. Yeah, right. We will expect Tweeden's endorsement for her in 2018 against a Republican.
7. As seen in the Stern tape, Tweeden enjoyed being part of juvenile, raunchy humor, talking about feeling up her breasts and laughingly showing off her 'butt crack' when asked. But that was not a violation. Right.
8. Will Tweeden be apologizing for contributing to and profiting from the sexual objectification of all women for a decade?
9. It appears that every raunchy or dark joke Franken ever spoke, from college to SNL, in a lifetime as a comedian, is now ready for publication. The oppo research was ready for a dump.
8. The only other accuser is ANOTHER right-wing radio host. The headlines call it 'harassment'...implying that it was sexual harassment, but it has to do with politics and nothing sexual.
Questions:
1. The skit was performed AFTER the rehearsal obviously. And assumedly many, many times since they were on tour. What happened when the kiss came up during those ensuing performances?
2. Tweeden said many people told her at the time to keep quiet because Franken (a radio host at Air America) was such a show business force he could destroy her career. Who were these people? Can we expect to hear from them and have them named?
3. Who took this picture? What were the circumstances? Who else was there?
4. If it was truly seen as a sexual assault why was she given a copy of it?
5. Who alerted Roger Stone the night before that this was coming?
6. It appears Tweeden was a support of birtherism in relationship to President Obama? Will she also speak out for the 16 women who accuse Trump of actual sexual assault, actually touching them inappropriately? If not, why not?
7. If this is a question of character and not a one off puerility...where are the other accusers? In EVERY case, from Louis CK to Harvey Weinstein to Trump to Moore to Spacey there are MANY accusers to build a case suggesting the nefarious sexual character of the men. A description of character involves PATTERNS of behavior. Where are they?
Feel free to add any that I have left out. Or refute it or disagree I've been warned by some friends to be silent...because this might not shine a good light on me. And most Democrats seem to have caved almost immediately but IMO, this whole thing smells very fishy.
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No and if you are suggesting the bullshit set up job about Franken...that he did something illegal I
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#65
What laws might those be? I have never heard of anyone going to jail for a kiss which by the way
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#66
I was assaulted twice in my life...once as a teen. I managed to escape ...one of Moore's
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#81
Thank you. One of the healing things I was told in therapy was to realize that it wasn't my fault.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#97
The Deplorables are looking for any incident, no matter how small to muddy the waters.
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2017
#10
He would have been sentenced to film STUART SAVES HIS FAMILY. Whoops! n/m
bagelsforbreakfast
Nov 2017
#5
I have a friend who was raped in Illinois...I was born at Great Lakes parents in the Navy...
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#68
I don't buy that...she is a Hannity plant and I have seen pics of her at the time...she was not
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#69
That's true. Confiding in somebody, especially some time later, doesn't make that somebody a witness
LisaL
Nov 2017
#58
I didn't. Not all witnesses are eye-witnesses. In fact, that almost never happens
pnwmom
Nov 2017
#64
I don't believe it would be admissible as evidence, because wouldn't it be considered hearsay?
LisaL
Nov 2017
#77
Big difference to try to rape a child...then to kiss an actress during a skit...but attacking
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#70
If she'd reported it at the time, the USO might have taken some action under its own rules.
Denzil_DC
Nov 2017
#28
Exactly, she consented to a kiss that is a fact. I guess she expected a peck on the cheek
Cattledog
Nov 2017
#34
Doubtful...the service people there at the time back Franken up...she is a liar and a righty plant.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#71
there have been several posts about it...and one or two posted on Facebook...you want to believe
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#75
I asked for a link. You apparently don't have any. Who's believing bullshit now?
Denzil_DC
Nov 2017
#79
There are lots of links and stories on DU and other places...you have to want to not know...and I
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#82
It isn't sexual anything...it is an idea cooked up by the rightwing smear machine to
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#72
tweeden says " I told a few of the others on the tour what Franken had done and they knew how I felt
blimablam
Nov 2017
#39
What I don't understand is why this incident did not come to light
The Velveteen Ocelot
Nov 2017
#51
No they don't exist ...and during the investigation...the Senate is sure to call her as a witness
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#73
btw Tweeden said she told other people right away. Has anybody come forward yet?
blimablam
Nov 2017
#50