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Douglas Carpenter

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65. it's certainly not left or right, -but if we had gun conrols laws like all western democracies have

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 06:55 PM

Jul 2012

- these things would happen a lot less. This incident is primarily the fault of the NRA and America's bizarre gun culture. Most murder's and homicides in America are primarily the fault of the NRA and America's unique gun culture. Just cross the border to Canada or go go to any Western Democracy and they have a fraction of the homicides that America has. Even where I currently live in the Northern Marianas which is in sovereign U.S. Territory - in spite of lots of drinking, gambling, drugs and a vast income gap - they have a fraction of the homicide rate of the U.S. mainland. What is the difference? Everyone knows the difference. Tough gun control laws. People who oppose strict gun control laws are causing thousands of deaths every year in America. This terrible incident in Colorado and the vast majority of homicides in America are largely caused by the NRA and the gun culture. It is mostly their fault.

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I just gotta say this: It is grotesque to put a political spin on the shooting in CO [View all] cali Jul 2012 OP

Agreed. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #1

We need to wait and see what the facts are bluestateguy Jul 2012 #2

exactly. cali Jul 2012 #3

Most these acts aren't rooted in politics... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #4

The timing is what has made us think of Rush. That was the alfredo Jul 2012 #32

That seems a reasonable first assumption to me. Blanks Jul 2012 #62

There is precedence. I had the feeling the guy was sick whether alfredo Jul 2012 #70

We all should be focused on the families of those lost, what a horrific tragedy! Firebrand Gary Jul 2012 #5

You are right of course. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #6

Sure, but... dogknob Jul 2012 #7

I can think of one right off hand cali Jul 2012 #9

I don't know one. boxman15 Jul 2012 #41

I understand the speculation. Behind the Aegis Jul 2012 #8

Yep & part of the rationalization is affirming our self-image ... so we blame 'the others' HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #30

I guess we shouldn't blame OReilly B Calm Jul 2012 #10

Without speculating as to the motives of the shooter, this is an act of terrorism. MADem Jul 2012 #11

We may never know this psycho's motives. DCBob Jul 2012 #12

Agree. Skidmore Jul 2012 #13

OP did not say rule them out NWHarkness Jul 2012 #19

Well maybe but the whole thing about guns seems to once more raise its ugly head... jimlup Jul 2012 #14

Fair comment dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #15

That didn't even occur to me deutsey Jul 2012 #16

I agree, let the facts speak for themselves quaker bill Jul 2012 #17

The National Republican Association would disagree with you. onehandle Jul 2012 #18

oh your post is so depressing. cali Jul 2012 #20

Ya know,...this is kind of a political place.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #21

Well Scumbaugh did not find it grotesque to suggest an orchestrated Bain link malaise Jul 2012 #22

Some advantages for Joe Scum being the first idiot of the day to sound off. gordianot Jul 2012 #23

But, chances are, it is connected to the "hate machine." Vinca Jul 2012 #24

100% agreement leftynyc Jul 2012 #25

I was shocked to hear on CNN that this wasn't terrorism because the perp was a white male. Zen Democrat Jul 2012 #26

That was my thought exactly. ananda Jul 2012 #39

It's mass murder Marrah_G Jul 2012 #44

And this is why CNN's ratings are in the toilet. This IS domestic terrorism. jillan Jul 2012 #49

Horrified, I can see, shocked; not so much. Blanks Jul 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #27

To throw the obvious out the window, would be ignoring the "elephant" in the room. The Wielding Truth Jul 2012 #35

Except "we" won't. lapislzi Jul 2012 #40

Too late, it's already happened here. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #28

Terriffic. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #31

Well, they are doing it right here in Denver. earthside Jul 2012 #29

Yes, a mass shootout would have been so much more productive nichomachus Jul 2012 #47

I certainly hope the motive wasn't political, but speculation of "reasons why" is fair.. bushisanidiot Jul 2012 #33

for lack of a better word, at this point in time it's unseemly cali Jul 2012 #36

While I agree, I do think gathering potential info from social media quickly is important. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #34

oh, yeah. so do I. cali Jul 2012 #53

Sorry - but that is the first thing that entered my mind. I will be shocked if it was not inspired patricia92243 Jul 2012 #37

Thank you. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #38

I agree Marrah_G Jul 2012 #42

The gun-grabbers need only the slightest excuse to go on a rant. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #43

You mean like 12 people being murdered? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #59

I mean them politicizing tragedies like this. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #60

Thank you. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #45

1st Court Appearance : Monday Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #46

So we should sit and sagely nod our heads while the fascists Doctor_J Jul 2012 #48

it really bugs me that you have my Senator as your avatar cali Jul 2012 #50

Here's a ProSense Jul 2012 #51

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #52

It's hard not to wonder what was in the shooters head, but I agree with Cali - let the authorities jillan Jul 2012 #54

Yes, we can count on the authorities to give us the facts siligut Jul 2012 #56

This occured to me also. The ditto heads are such lemmings following the drug addict Lint Head Jul 2012 #55

kick. cali Jul 2012 #57

Agree. Rec'd. Kaleva Jul 2012 #58

I blame it on the National Republican Association and their gun company clients. onehandle Jul 2012 #61

Me too! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #69

If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got.... Jake2413 Jul 2012 #64

it's certainly not left or right, -but if we had gun conrols laws like all western democracies have Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #65

Everyone automatically attribute the horror to someone they don't like. Kablooie Jul 2012 #66

I've read most of the posts here on DU today panader0 Jul 2012 #67

I've said it again and again Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #68