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Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:53 PM

Nov 2017

I am far too emotional about this whole issue. I know a lot about sexual assault, personally. IMO, the Franken story, as it is currently understood, should not be considered sexual assault in any way.

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Did Al Franken do anything illegal? [View all] Control-Z Nov 2017 OP

The police don't really get involved in these affairs. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #1

Well, some do. Control-Z Nov 2017 #13

No and if you are suggesting the bullshit set up job about Franken...that he did something illegal I Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #65

Of course they do, if laws are broken. yardwork Nov 2017 #55

What laws might those be? I have never heard of anyone going to jail for a kiss which by the way Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #66

Oh I agree. I see no evidence of laws being broken in this case. yardwork Nov 2017 #80

I was assaulted twice in my life...once as a teen. I managed to escape ...one of Moore's Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #81

I am sorry that those people did those things to you. yardwork Nov 2017 #85

Thank you. One of the healing things I was told in therapy was to realize that it wasn't my fault. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #97

Likely not. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #2

They are not going to go down without a fight. LisaL Nov 2017 #4

That's why we need to seize every advantage and not give them any. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #6

Unless everyone elected is as pure as driven snow, how do you do that, exactly? LisaL Nov 2017 #8

The Deplorables are looking for any incident, no matter how small to muddy the waters. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #10

And when they can't find an incident they make one up. FuzzyRabbit Nov 2017 #42

Yep...the continual demonization of Democrats is disheartening. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #67

Assault With A Deadly Tongue SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #3

He would have been sentenced to film STUART SAVES HIS FAMILY. Whoops! n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #5

No. Perhaps incivil but not illegal. Shrike47 Nov 2017 #7

It would depend on the jurisdiction but probably not. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #9

If it rose to sexual harrassment, could face civil liability. pat_k Nov 2017 #11

Would they have to return to Afghanistan for the trial? IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #14

I'm not an attorney, but I think an actual victim (i.e., not Tweeden)... pat_k Nov 2017 #32

It all reeks and I don't want to see Franken hobbled in any way. IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #59

Me too. pat_k Nov 2017 #62

I agree with your every word. Control-Z Nov 2017 #91

Depends on your point of view PJMcK Nov 2017 #12

It doesn't matter loyalsister Nov 2017 #15

That was not my point. Control-Z Nov 2017 #23

Did Moore? Really not the point. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #16

Yes, if the woman's account is accurate. former9thward Nov 2017 #17

That's a tort, not a crime. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #18

It would be a tort for civil purposes. former9thward Nov 2017 #22

No, it is not criminal assault. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #29

It is a crime in Illinois and Arizona where I practice. former9thward Nov 2017 #38

Look for yourself: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #44

So I can go up to someone in MN former9thward Nov 2017 #52

I have a friend who was raped in Illinois...I was born at Great Lakes parents in the Navy... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #68

Al Franken is being tried in the public square. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #43

So she says. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #47

Different burden of proof- only more likely than not. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #49

I don't buy that...she is a Hannity plant and I have seen pics of her at the time...she was not Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #69

And that's what's going on. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #76

Thank you Velveteen for stating fact. Cattledog Nov 2017 #24

Not a fact. former9thward Nov 2017 #40

There is no evidence that her account is accurate, other than her own say-so. pnwmom Nov 2017 #21

There is no trial here is there? former9thward Nov 2017 #25

If her story is taken at face value, she gave consent unblock Nov 2017 #31

Again - no, it would not be a crime. It could be a tort. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #33

What facts? There are no facts, just a couple assertions. And no prosecutor pnwmom Nov 2017 #36

Sounds like the Moore defense. former9thward Nov 2017 #41

It's nothing like the Moore defense. All of Moore's accusers had witnesses pnwmom Nov 2017 #48

Please don't invent witnesses. former9thward Nov 2017 #54

That's true. Confiding in somebody, especially some time later, doesn't make that somebody a witness LisaL Nov 2017 #58

I didn't. Not all witnesses are eye-witnesses. In fact, that almost never happens pnwmom Nov 2017 #64

I don't believe it would be admissible as evidence, because wouldn't it be considered hearsay? LisaL Nov 2017 #77

Words are hearsay. But descriptions of a victim's emotional state aren't. pnwmom Nov 2017 #78

Big difference to try to rape a child...then to kiss an actress during a skit...but attacking Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70

The question was if he would be charged Bradical79 Nov 2017 #83

This is from Dr. Zhivago LeftInTX Nov 2017 #95

Franken did not break the law. trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #19

No prosecutor would ever have taken this case. pnwmom Nov 2017 #20

No. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #26

He didnt touch her in the photo and denies the kiss. eom blimablam Nov 2017 #27

If she'd reported it at the time, the USO might have taken some action under its own rules. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #28

Exactly, she consented to a kiss that is a fact. I guess she expected a peck on the cheek Cattledog Nov 2017 #34

We just don't know what happened between the two of them. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #45

Doubtful...the service people there at the time back Franken up...she is a liar and a righty plant. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #71

AFAIK, nobody's identified any "service people there at the time" yet, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #74

there have been several posts about it...and one or two posted on Facebook...you want to believe Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #75

I asked for a link. You apparently don't have any. Who's believing bullshit now? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #79

There are lots of links and stories on DU and other places...you have to want to not know...and I Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #82

There are lots of links to anonymous claims on Twitter. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #84

Roy Moore molested a child, assaulted a teenager The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #30

No. Control-Z Nov 2017 #37

This whole discussion is stupid. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #46

I know a few people have misinterpreted my questions Control-Z Nov 2017 #86

It isn't sexual anything...it is an idea cooked up by the rightwing smear machine to Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72

No. ananda Nov 2017 #35

tweeden says " I told a few of the others on the tour what Franken had done and they knew how I felt blimablam Nov 2017 #39

What I don't understand is why this incident did not come to light The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #51

No they don't exist ...and during the investigation...the Senate is sure to call her as a witness Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73

btw Tweeden said she told other people right away. Has anybody come forward yet? blimablam Nov 2017 #50

Honestly blue cat Nov 2017 #53

Please read past #86. eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #87

No. pamdb Nov 2017 #56

I feel the same. Control-Z Nov 2017 #88

No... Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #57

Thank you for your reply. Control-Z Nov 2017 #89

Based on my state's law, only if his hands contacted the vest. So no. moriah Nov 2017 #60

No. Snackshack Nov 2017 #61

That is a ridiculous question an the answer is no. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #63

Please read past #86. eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #90

I hoped you thought my state's law post was interesting. moriah Nov 2017 #92

Thank you for this post. Control-Z Nov 2017 #93

Our laws are completely backwards in many ways. moriah Nov 2017 #94

No Gothmog Nov 2017 #96