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57. That was one level, but it was also an attack on women

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Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:10 AM

Nov 2017

It is always easier to get away with saying things by claiming that they were part of a joke.

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Al Franken's Saturday Night Live era was full of jokes disparaging women [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

One of the big reasons I rarely watched them.. whathehell Nov 2017 #1

Nice try DiverDave Nov 2017 #2

Um, maybe not..I support Franken and do NOT think he should step down whathehell Nov 2017 #23

Good post. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #71

This article is about misogyny on SNL (and Franken admittedly contributed to that) oberliner Nov 2017 #78

SNL makes fun of everyone, Women, Men, Black, White, Mexican, Gay, Straight, Rapper, Country Singer snooper2 Nov 2017 #157

Hadn't seen that one before treestar Nov 2017 #196

That's a classic! RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #201

Headline satire quickesst Nov 2017 #99

The OP knows exactly what they're doing... tenderfoot Nov 2017 #114

This is preposterous oberliner Nov 2017 #115

A very successful ruse tenderfoot Nov 2017 #116

Attacking Franken for what is obviously a put up job is not defending anything...it is helping the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #169

No post count? DiverDave Nov 2017 #229

Bingo. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #162

Jesus Christ ERA community theater full of disparaging misogyny Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #210

You are posting the shittiest anti-Franken threads on DU n/t greeny2323 Nov 2017 #3

I said something little similar about that poster. rockfordfile Nov 2017 #29

Franken himself has acknowledged the importance of what this article addresses oberliner Nov 2017 #79

you are simply using this to attack a Democrat... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #170

You really seem to want to get rid of one our best senators. cwydro Nov 2017 #4

I want to get rid of misogyny oberliner Nov 2017 #73

Hmm, thats strange RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #138

Interesting. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #148

Then why attack Franken specifically to address misogynous behavior? pandr32 Nov 2017 #171

Why not focus on what he has done in the Senate? treestar Nov 2017 #197

Try harder... Vinnie From Indy Nov 2017 #5

It's an article in the WaPo by a left-wing feminist oberliner Nov 2017 #74

And why does that have anything to do with anything...I don't care who she is...I am sick of Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #173

Say the term Feminazies in a roomfull of men these days and it will immediately Jim Beard Nov 2017 #223

I am a feminist and this overkill especially with the the facebook woman who made such ridiculous Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #225

" he reportedly once pitched a skit" WTF, sounds like something from Breitbart njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #6

to be fair he admits to having pitched said script dsc Nov 2017 #16

Thanks, I stand corrected njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #26

sure you care bigtree Nov 2017 #7

The article addresses sexism and misogyny in the male-dominated comedy-writing world of SNL then oberliner Nov 2017 #82

lol bigtree Nov 2017 #191

Well, let's burn him at the stake then. Maybe we can add a few more comedians to the pyre, too. Vinca Nov 2017 #8

Or instead, let's celebrate the fact that we are finally evolving with respect to sexist jokes oberliner Nov 2017 #10

And while we are celebrating, we apparently have to demand that people LisaL Nov 2017 #14

No, that's not it whathehell Nov 2017 #31

word; there sure are a lot of strawmen/women being tossed out here. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #212

I like your optimism. But I don't think that's what is happening here. Demit Nov 2017 #27

Left-wing Democrats are capable of telling offensive jokes oberliner Nov 2017 #84

Talk about the other males in the male-dominated comedy world, then. Demit Nov 2017 #103

+++++++++++++++++ pangaia Nov 2017 #111

This article was in the Washington Post today oberliner Nov 2017 #112

i can't speak for the OP, but i have higher standards for dems; at the very least i'm certainly not TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #215

OK, OK.. we got it. pangaia Nov 2017 #109

He didn't say ALL of his jokes "were just plain offensive". George II Nov 2017 #214

The counterpoint to Jane was a memorable example Not Ruth Nov 2017 #9

Thanks for sharing this oberliner Nov 2017 #13

It was comedy - satire of a male news anchor hexola Nov 2017 #17

Bill O"Reily was not around then oberliner Nov 2017 #25

Seriously? cwydro Nov 2017 #34

She needs to watch Mad Men to understand the culture then Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #43

Walter Cronkite was the archtype during that period oberliner Nov 2017 #66

I always took Weekend Update to be a parody of an network affiliate hexola Nov 2017 #40

At this point, I can only presume you're being willfully obtuse. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #48

Thank you oberliner Nov 2017 #67

It was a direct spoof of the "Point, Counterpoint" segment of 60 Minutes jberryhill Nov 2017 #52

Thanks for sharing that oberliner Nov 2017 #69

The one example of Shana on 60 Minutes I could find caraher Nov 2017 #135

Yep. I still get a kick out of reading right winger commenters on YouTube.... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #168

I know - it is hard to believe a liberal treestar Nov 2017 #199

Yes, I always hated that line, finding it socially backward & hugely unfunny whathehell Nov 2017 #28

I cannot believe you cannot see how that was aimed at ignorant men. cwydro Nov 2017 #33

Exactly - that was the joke... hexola Nov 2017 #44

I know, I laughed at the time. cwydro Nov 2017 #46

The joke is that Bettie Nov 2017 #185

I can't believe you think that:s an absolute Fact, rather than whathehell Nov 2017 #130

In the context of the times...it was different. hexola Nov 2017 #35

Hexola...I am "of" those times, and I can tell you that it wasn't whathehell Nov 2017 #124

Which was a direct parody of existing media jberryhill Nov 2017 #55

That was one level, but it was also an attack on women Not Ruth Nov 2017 #57

You don't seem to understand that the "joke" was about conservative sexism jberryhill Nov 2017 #62

No one should ever bother explaining the joke RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #161

Come on! That is clearly a parody of a misogynists treestar Nov 2017 #198

Oh god Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #11

All I remember is Pete Tagliani hexola Nov 2017 #12

Pawing and grabbing? Alenne Nov 2017 #15

Yep Meowmee Nov 2017 #24

Me too. When you begin with a false statement, spooky3 Nov 2017 #60

Me too. I stopped reading at grabbing. Bull shit. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #165

Let's wait and see if further accusations emerge. kstewart33 Nov 2017 #18

And let's not forget that he deliberately wrote 1986's One More Saturday Night Orrex Nov 2017 #19

I need a break tymorial Nov 2017 #20

I think some of the high dudgeon we read and hear from our side is just virtue signaling. nt tblue37 Nov 2017 #224

You really seem to have a problem with Franken. cwydro Nov 2017 #21

That Roy Moore is a disgusting human being goes without saying oberliner Nov 2017 #86

You have had had how many OP's about Franken ? I have not seen one about Moore from you though. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #193

Me neither. cwydro Nov 2017 #205

Damn right... Franken is a good guy...and everyday...Tweeden looks more like a big liar. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #227

He didn't "paw" Tweeden's breasts, nor did he "grab" them. Demit Nov 2017 #22

Thank you. This is getting ridiculous. cwydro Nov 2017 #30

The Tweedenistas have constructed a complete alternate narrative in their minds bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #39

Skip that paragraph then oberliner Nov 2017 #90

"Skip that part, Mrs Lincoln. How was the rest of your evening?" Demit Nov 2017 #98

The author of the article could be off base on what she says in some of the piece oberliner Nov 2017 #128

She was "off base" on the easiest part of the Franken story to debunk RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #183

I finally read the rest of her hit job: "From Franken and Harvey Weinstein to Roger Ailes and Demit Nov 2017 #126

The article is by a left-wing feminist author oberliner Nov 2017 #129

She is arguing dishonestly. Which does no credit to her thesis. Demit Nov 2017 #164

The OP seems to have a real problem that Franken isn't being crucified, and should be placed in the still_one Nov 2017 #32

OP also tried to push the tweet that said Heather Heyer's murderer RandiFan1290 Nov 2017 #37

I agree. Why is this OP not posting about 45, or Moore? cwydro Nov 2017 #38

He does not belong any near any category including those two people oberliner Nov 2017 #87

I do appreciate the clarification. For better or worse, it seems that is all we are discussing still_one Nov 2017 #95

And why do we need to discuss this in the context of Franken...while giving the usual suspects a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #194

He didn't grab her in the photo Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #36

its called comedy.....like wtf is that a new concept or is everything now suppose to be beachbum bob Nov 2017 #41

It's as if Carrie Nation and Joe McCarthy had children and they're all bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #45

Lol. cwydro Nov 2017 #49

Or it's as if people feel strongly about sexism and misogyny oberliner Nov 2017 #93

Or it's as if some people are really nostalgic for the McMartin era bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #204

You seem to have a real problem with him. cwydro Nov 2017 #206

White people mocking black people used to be called comedy oberliner Nov 2017 #91

so basic standards of right/wrong don't apply to "comedians?" really? sounds like a sweet gig, where TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #213

Benny Hill comes to mind sagesnow Nov 2017 #42

There's a whole TV series in the UK about this: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #118

I understand what you are saying, oberliner, I really do. And you're taking a lot of shit for it Squinch Nov 2017 #47

What joke with the soldier? LisaL Nov 2017 #50

Yes. I will correct. Jeez. Squinch Nov 2017 #51

She lied about the kiss already. She says he "wrote" it in Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #53

I suspect it will, but I won't be satisfied with internet rumors, nor will internet rumors clear Squinch Nov 2017 #59

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #64

Oberliner is not a republican hack. You should self delete that or I will alert. Squinch Nov 2017 #85

Well she is posting editorials that contain blatant lies Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #94

You're calling her a troll. She is not one. Squinch Nov 2017 #140

uh-huh DiverDave Nov 2017 #104

If you feel this place is "getting worse every day" you certainly have plenty of options. Squinch Nov 2017 #149

So did you alert? snooper2 Nov 2017 #110

No. I was going to come back and see if he had deleted. Apparently someone else alerted. Squinch Nov 2017 #143

I'm willing to bet an investigation never happens. Demit Nov 2017 #68

That might happen too. It seems to me he is pressing for it for a reason. Squinch Nov 2017 #81

Twitter is where the video showed up that refutes one element of her story. Demit Nov 2017 #107

Twitter is also where we got the fake tweet from the guy who claimed he was the Squinch Nov 2017 #139

Yes, pseudonymous tweets should be met with skepticism. Demit Nov 2017 #159

I agree, but the fact is we don't. So I don't pay attention unless it's from Squinch Nov 2017 #163

No, the fact is that *some of us* don't. Some of us are gullible, but not everyone. Demit Nov 2017 #184

I never said that I consider the NYT to "always be an unassailable source of information." Squinch Nov 2017 #187

Sorry I offended you. I'm sure you are right in your choice of credible sources. Demit Nov 2017 #188

More condescension. Charming. Have a lovely day. Squinch Nov 2017 #189

Thanks! You too. Demit Nov 2017 #190

Wow JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #54

Yes. Thank you. cwydro Nov 2017 #56

I don't want to get rid of anyone oberliner Nov 2017 #76

OK, it's acknowledged. Now can we get back to 2017 where we all know this and have known it... brush Nov 2017 #117

Amen JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #146

Pretty clear what is going on here. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #208

OP what is your intent? This is little more than a hit piece and above the intelligence here Doremus Nov 2017 #58

The author of the article in the OP is a left-wing feminist oberliner Nov 2017 #70

does intent really matter? IMO, the only thing that matters is whether a statement is true or not. TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #211

The first two sentences of the post contains 3 lies. SharonClark Nov 2017 #61

I did not write the article oberliner Nov 2017 #75

So an article with lies is OK...if the 'take away' is about something that happened years ago? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #177

You've really got it in for him don't you. n/t Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #63

I've got it in for misogyny oberliner Nov 2017 #72

Right and Franken apparently is your poster boy for misognyny...not Moore or Trump, O'Reilley Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #179

Welcome to Full Ignore. denverbill Nov 2017 #65

This article is completely ridiculous. B2G Nov 2017 #77

Jane Curtain has spoken and written extensively about the sexism she faced at SNL oberliner Nov 2017 #88

I'll need to read up on that. B2G Nov 2017 #92

Jane Curtin: "SNL Was A Misogynistic Environment" oberliner Nov 2017 #102

I watched female comics in the 50s: "I Married Joan"; "The Goldbergs"; and, of course, "I Love WinkyDink Nov 2017 #220

Yep, not saying there were none, B2G Nov 2017 #221

There's a REASON Lucille Ball is an icon. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #228

Democrats pile on MFM008 Nov 2017 #80

you seem very concerned .. stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #83

The article addresses sexism and misogyny in the male-dominated comedy-writing world of SNL then oberliner Nov 2017 #89

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #141

How provoking . nocalflea Nov 2017 #96

It is thought-provoking oberliner Nov 2017 #101

You keep busy obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #97

Fighting sexism and misogyny is a passion of mine oberliner Nov 2017 #100

"in a way that a certain sketch comedy show perfected" OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #105

Not as bad as... Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #106

The rampant sexism and misogyny in comedy during the 1970s is grotesque oberliner Nov 2017 #108

The problems in the 1970's were..... CatMor Nov 2017 #121

Sexism on SNL is definitely not one of the major problems of the 1970s oberliner Nov 2017 #127

you can't walk and chew gum at the same time? it's not either/or. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #216

Of course I can CatMor Nov 2017 #218

Just as I defended his accsuer, I will defend him.... usedtobedemgurl Nov 2017 #113

I agree with your points oberliner Nov 2017 #120

oberliner... usedtobedemgurl Nov 2017 #125

You're Certainly Catching It For Observing The Truth Me. Nov 2017 #119

Thanks for this response oberliner Nov 2017 #122

There's a UK TV series: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #123

There used to be a US game show called "Family Feud" oberliner Nov 2017 #131

In one UK daytime darts game show from the 1980s, the comedian host asked a male contestant: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #134

I once heard Shirley Manson of Garbage (who is from Edinburgh).... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #175

I think it's usually meant archly, for laughs. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #178

Seeing as youre going after entertainment... CatMor Nov 2017 #145

So true. The likes of Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson said stuff that not even a KKKer would OnDoutside Nov 2017 #132

Yeah, then we had the "anti-PC" backlash in the 1990s and 2000s, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #137

Especially being Irish, we had to put with all their "Mick jokes". Awful stuff. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #142

Ugh. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #153

The parallel to the subtle way it goes on now mirrors the dog whistling in the US, doesn't it ? I OnDoutside Nov 2017 #166

Yes, it does. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #174

You seem very invested in this. n/m RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #133

Yes, fighting sexism and misogyny is a top priority for me oberliner Nov 2017 #144

Making sure Roy Moore doesnt get elected would help RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #147

Then why Franken? treestar Nov 2017 #202

Progressive Zambero Nov 2017 #136

Your getting nowhere with your smear attempts. pwb Nov 2017 #150

This is an article in the Washington Post by a left-wing feminist writer oberliner Nov 2017 #152

It is a smear and unfair to pin Saturday Night sexism years ago on Franken. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #181

You had a very different view when it came to Jerry Lewis JI7 Nov 2017 #151

Very true oberliner Nov 2017 #154

Boom. Good find. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #155

Agreed oberliner Nov 2017 #158

He wasn't a Democrat. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #182

nice hitjob but it was a fail like the last one ....... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #156

This article was published by the Washington Post oberliner Nov 2017 #160

Confirmation bias doesn't help your argument. OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #172

Why are you still doing this? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #167

Pretty standard for TV then. Charlies Angels and Threes Company were huge hits too Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #176

All In The Family.... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #180

yes it was, but that certainly doesn't make it right, so who cares? nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #217

Comedic and dramatic television writing has changed throughout the years Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #219

This duscussion should be about a culture that has permitted and rewarded sexism and misogyny loyalsister Nov 2017 #186

1970's SNL was also a commentary on the stuff "you can't speak about".... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #200

The OP and my points were not a criticism of intellectual value of SNL loyalsister Nov 2017 #207

"... was heinous" Really? jalan48 Nov 2017 #192

1975 was 1975 treestar Nov 2017 #195

Gilda Radner came out of SNL MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #209

The photo does NOT show him pawing or grabbing her breasts. It shows him pretending he tblue37 Nov 2017 #222

And full of jokes disparaging men njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #226