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126. Wanna see some real hilarious dodging, ducking, equivocating, and logical pretzel-twisting?

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 06:52 PM

Jul 2012

Get the attention of one of our "pro-gun progressives" and put this query to them:

If President Obama is re-elected, it is likely he will get the chance to appoint at least two new liberal Supreme Court justices, plus replace at least one of the conservative justices. That new lineup will undoubtedly over-rule both Heller and its subsequent jurisprudence, interpreting the Second amendment once again as the Founders intended it: a 'collective' right, not an individual one. Knowing that, do you support his re-election, and do you intend to vote for him? Please answer 'yes' or 'no' to both questions; thanks.

One of the longest sub-threads I've ever seen spun out in my life was predicated on a version of that question; there was, of course, no straight-forward 'yes' or 'no'. It was a lot of hollering about the "unfairness" of the question and so on, and it was very telling, by the end of it, about where most of our "pro-gun progressives" are actually coming from.

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If you love your guns more than your children, something is wrong [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2012 OP

Something is definitely wrong. Skidmore Jul 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #2

I see your first reaction is to worry about your guns DainBramaged Jul 2012 #4

Violence is the cowards way. BlueinOhio Jul 2012 #39

+10000 n/t Control-Z Jul 2012 #127

"Grab guns" is an NRA slogan and another right wing complaint without substance... rfranklin Jul 2012 #7

With that in mind... pipoman Jul 2012 #8

How does that relate to right wing NRA slogans? rfranklin Jul 2012 #13

Cite please? Tejas Jul 2012 #97

Nothing to with crime rates. Ok. Guns have a lot to do with gun deaths, though. morningfog Jul 2012 #21

And cars have a lot to do with DWI deaths, pipoman Jul 2012 #29

Swimming pools and cars have purposes other than killing... rfranklin Jul 2012 #68

I use mine for entertainment (target practice)at the range. Not for killing. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #79

Ever shoot at a target that shows a person on it? rfranklin Jul 2012 #85

Piece of paper. No comparison. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #89

And what is the point of target practice? Control-Z Jul 2012 #129

It is fun? My hubby also target practices with his bow. Skeet shooting in the Olympics? nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #130

No, alcohol has everything to do with DWI deaths. -eom Control-Z Jul 2012 #128

Patience, patriot. Loudly Jul 2012 #76

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #78

Visit the gungeon for real hilarity bongbong Jul 2012 #100

Lone nut? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #12

Are you trying to influence others to come round Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #15

interesting.. pipoman Jul 2012 #18

Our right to life .. 99Forever Jul 2012 #30

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #81

Lots of "lone" gun totin' a-holes kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #33

If you'd rather hug your guns than your family something is wrong MattBaggins Jul 2012 #46

Here's a funny one GarroHorus Jul 2012 #59

Hardly one nut abelenkpe Jul 2012 #55

If you want to carry your gun everywhere because of a lone nut, something is wrong. n/t ieoeja Jul 2012 #60

I don't own a gun. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #61

Your concern for your guns instead of for the victims is touching. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #96

'Grabbing guns'? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #108

The problem is theres a whole bushel of "lone nuts". Columbine, VA Tech, Tuscon, FT Hood, etc etc. Erose999 Jul 2012 #95

I didn't see a "grab everyone's guns" message in the OP. Zalatix Jul 2012 #113

Raise your hand if pipoman Jul 2012 #3

14 people dead is gibberish? rfranklin Jul 2012 #5

And you made my point for me DainBramaged Jul 2012 #6

Nah, pipoman Jul 2012 #9

Well we figured out where you stand pretty quick DainBramaged Jul 2012 #10

Oh, if it were only simple.. pipoman Jul 2012 #11

It probably not "that simple", but I'll tell you one thing that is.. whathehell Jul 2012 #20

Knives or baseball bats pipoman Jul 2012 #26

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch.. whathehell Jul 2012 #69

Given the circumstances, the patience, and the righteousness of of one's cause, it's not that much. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #77

Sorry... whathehell Jul 2012 #135

I don't see it either...that is just what I said.. pipoman Jul 2012 #134

The deadliest mass murders in the U.S. was done without guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #38

Yep justifying that gun aren't ya............you folks list those every time there is a massacre DainBramaged Jul 2012 #48

+10 whathehell Jul 2012 #80

Not everybody is so lucky Mimosa Jul 2012 #114

I'm well aware of that.. whathehell Jul 2012 #115

I gotcha. Mimosa Jul 2012 #117

Okay, Thanks... whathehell Jul 2012 #131

Relevance? Progressive dog Jul 2012 #65

Yes, bombs are bad as well, of course whathehell Jul 2012 #67

More people have gasoline and matches than have guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #73

That's nice. whathehell Jul 2012 #75

The point is that if you took his gun away he would still have easy access to other means. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #87

I know what you're saying, but I don't think the whathehell Jul 2012 #116

False claim. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #24

as well as a check against our own government DainBramaged Jul 2012 #25

You presume that all "true" dems/progressives remotely agree with you. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #34

/thread Tejas Jul 2012 #99

How's that Patriot Act working out for ya? Tejas Jul 2012 #98

HUH ????? zzaapp Jul 2012 #102

Agreed. sellitman Jul 2012 #14

If that were true, it would be sad.. pipoman Jul 2012 #16

Then why is this country awash in guns? RC Jul 2012 #35

All it takes is money to get pipoman Jul 2012 #41

All applicants at the local grocery store kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #43

which other enumerated civil liberties should we subject pipoman Jul 2012 #45

Well, if a psychological test kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #121

No, that is part of living in a free country.. pipoman Jul 2012 #132

I thought about adding that originally DainBramaged Jul 2012 #22

To legally buy a gun I have to submit to an NICS check. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #40

What a load of false premises. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #17

Leftie? Really? Leftie? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #23

Wow, that's a lot of presumptions. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #27

Nice try, the last thing any one here worries about is taking up their guns against the government DainBramaged Jul 2012 #31

Meanwhile, the vast majority of DU favors keeping the Second Amendment. LAGC Jul 2012 #56

Doesn't mean they're right. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #118

Setting fire to a field of straw men. tritsofme Jul 2012 #19

That's a whole bunch of disconnected twaddle dmallind Jul 2012 #28

Nice parade of strawmen. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #32

You have set up false dichotomies. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #36

I never have, and never will, understand this country's fascination with guns. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #37

Guns also save lives. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #42

So, why doesn't she just carry the gun and no ammo? mac56 Jul 2012 #47

Logic doesn't apply don't bother DainBramaged Jul 2012 #49

+1 mac56 Jul 2012 #107

Not everybody can afford to move Mimosa Jul 2012 #111

You pick up your stuff and move. There is no excuse to have to put up with crime, period DainBramaged Jul 2012 #120

Because some idiot might call her bluff? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #51

Bluffing with a gun is good way to end up dead. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #70

But.. but.. I thought that was the point of your post. mac56 Jul 2012 #139

The threat was real, not a bluff. There is a huge difference. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #140

I buy shoes and ammo ileus Jul 2012 #44

Also, if you spend your life on Internet forums waiting to defend guns when there's a slaughter DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #50

Yep. Iggo Jul 2012 #52

Gun Rights ARE human rights Twoface Jul 2012 #53

Food and a home are human rights... Fearless Jul 2012 #54

Well, our Founding Fathers sure thought so. LAGC Jul 2012 #57

No they didn't actually. The US Bill of Rights is not a bill of human rights... Fearless Jul 2012 #62

Self-defense is a basic human right. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #74

No. Security is a human right. Guns are not harbingers of peace. Fearless Jul 2012 #124

Sure, keep believing that, oh by the way, can GLBT folks have the right to marry?? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #58

You won't get an answer skinner banned the troll twoface. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #64

Yes, as long as they don't buy guns ! zzaapp Jul 2012 #103

sleep well sweet, sweet prince... dionysus Jul 2012 #71

"If you hate life so much that all you wish for is the chance to shoot your gun at someone ... patrice Jul 2012 #63

Most of the pro-gun carry folks I've met are also Pro-Life, until of course the child is born DainBramaged Jul 2012 #82

Even if one agrees on certain clearly defined principles/values, FUCKED-UP confused thinking is patrice Jul 2012 #84

The people that fantasize Tejas Jul 2012 #94

omg that is arely staircase Jul 2012 #72

"who said that?" gun-hating brownshirts always think those things. Tejas Jul 2012 #83

no, who said they love guns more than children? the op is refering to someone, but doesn't say whom. arely staircase Jul 2012 #88

Yes, some would call that "trolling". Tejas Jul 2012 #90

so nobody actually said they love guns more than children? arely staircase Jul 2012 #91

I saw no link in the OP, did you? Tejas Jul 2012 #93

i just figured the op was referencing something people were familiar with. i didn't know it was all arely staircase Jul 2012 #105

Yup, looks like someone fantasizing out loud. Tejas Jul 2012 #106

If you use children as a prop to argue against constitutional rights 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #86

I think such fantasies are unhealthy. Tejas Jul 2012 #92

Go count your ammunition. enough is enough. DainBramaged Jul 2012 #119

Why do you suppose the NRA wanted these 14 people to die and 71 be injured? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #122

NRA needs to be taken DOWN HockeyMom Jul 2012 #101

By whom? zzaapp Jul 2012 #104

How, exactly, do you propose that they be "taken down"? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #137

At some point, I guess the decision will have to be made. AndyA Jul 2012 #109

When does the NRA and it's hacks stop making excuses for these massacres? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #110

What does that even mean? Zax2me Jul 2012 #112

Rush Limbaugh doesn't have any children. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #123

I do love my kids sarisataka Jul 2012 #125

Wanna see some real hilarious dodging, ducking, equivocating, and logical pretzel-twisting? apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #126

You magnificent bastard! Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #133

Do these stalking horses and strawmen have names? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #136

Don't you have a barrel to polish? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #138

Nope. Are you off your meds? The emotional fixation on figments isn't healthy TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #141

Meh DainBramaged Jul 2012 #142