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100. I could call CNN with a copycat story and it would be on the air within the hour.

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Mon Nov 20, 2017, 01:39 PM

Nov 2017

While we can't dismiss women and what they claim, we can't automatically assign guilt to the offender without proof.

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A woman called CNN and said Franken touched her butt [View all] octoberlib Nov 2017 OP

Was it a cigarette butt? Sanity Claws Nov 2017 #1

No, but she did say she wasnt registered to any octoberlib Nov 2017 #3

How many democrats do you know that voted for Trump? LisaL Nov 2017 #69

I don't care what party a woman is registered to or who they voted for... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #70

Throw the book at him, there is nothing in the book. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #227

"The book" is entirely irrelevant... no excuse is all I'm sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #231

It is a photo...and please tell me you don't believe that Franken played grab ass with this silly Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #244

Demsrule, I know you're highly intelligent and I respect your opinion... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #246

I misunderstood...I think Franken is a put up job Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #247

No worries Demsrule... ironically, my comments were written precisely with women like you in mind... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #249

Okay,have not said boo about this, Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #253

That is all you need to hear. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #123

+1 n/t. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #232

. Orrex Nov 2017 #2

This is not good. femmocrat Nov 2017 #4

At some point we have to ask ourselves... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #14

sounds like bullshit to me. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #24

Except she apparently posted about it in 2010. So it might be bullshit. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #29

It sounds like she is super-conservative because one of the comments she got on that photo LisaL Nov 2017 #32

Possible, but the fact that she contemporaneously documented in 2010 is interesting. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #39

Sounds like she expected Al to do the same thing as the republican she took the photo with did, LisaL Nov 2017 #54

I note that the Facebook interaction with her sister in 2010 where she describes the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #57

How did she describe it? Did she say he groped her? brush Nov 2017 #88

There are private investiation companies that specialize in social media and sexual assult hexola Nov 2017 #56

So you are claiming the woman made the allegation in 2010, then? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #59

Im not "claiming" anything...sheesssh. hexola Nov 2017 #60

Then what are you suggesting? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #64

I would like to know what you are suggesting? LisaL Nov 2017 #66

She told her mother, father, husband at the time, and wrote about it on Facebook too. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #68

As long as its on facebook, you have to believe it. LisaL Nov 2017 #74

Well, telling her sister about it on Facebook in 2010 is interesting. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #76

She got a reaction from the photo that they were too close to each other, not two bibles apart. LisaL Nov 2017 #85

Yep. It looks like they're joking about how close together they are. kcr Nov 2017 #114

VermontKevin is a Russian bot. Pay no attention. trof Nov 2017 #224

No one has seen it riverwalker Nov 2017 #143

But no one has seen these Facebook posts riverwalker Nov 2017 #252

From what I understand, she posted the pix in '10 but said nothing about any groping brush Nov 2017 #87

From the article: B2G Nov 2017 #89

Hope she or someone has a screen grab of that comment from 2010 or it just a he said/she said. brush Nov 2017 #91

Again, according to the article, B2G Nov 2017 #92

I got that, but a screen grab of what's only visible to her facebook friends with some kind of... brush Nov 2017 #93

Oh for F sake forthemiddle Nov 2017 #196

She didn't report it in 2010, she posted something on facebook brush Nov 2017 #203

As far as I can tell... OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #229

Given what is posted here Bettie Nov 2017 #98

"totally molested' means standing too close? nt B2G Nov 2017 #99

As a Midwestern born and raised woman Bettie Nov 2017 #101

I too am a born and raised Midwestern woman. B2G Nov 2017 #102

The phrasing of the comment Bettie Nov 2017 #106

Sounds like hyperbolic sarcasm to me. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #103

Right? Bettie Nov 2017 #110

Agree. Think you nailed it. nt awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #111

This midwestern born and raised woman totally agrees. kcr Nov 2017 #132

Me too. It seems clearly sarcastic to me. It isn't a serious claim that she posted on Facebook -- it anneboleyn Nov 2017 #149

Yep. joshcryer Nov 2017 #202

Excuse me this is the evidence? You are kidding right? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #124

I know exactly how you feel. nt B2G Nov 2017 #145

Yes, a cropped photo. Where is the rest of it and what does it show? Trump STILL not being anneboleyn Nov 2017 #165

How do you know there IS more? B2G Nov 2017 #170

The article contains what she posted. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #118

I do not believe Franken played grab ass with that woman at a fair with her husband there...she is a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #122

Look, I'm not making a judgment until more facts come out, but what is irrefutable at this VermontKevin Nov 2017 #156

Her alleged "totally molested" statement that she posted in 2010 proves she's full of shit Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #204

I making a judgement...she is a liar. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #243

I'm with you WyLoochka Nov 2017 #234

You can backdate posts in Facebook n/t urbanhermit Nov 2017 #195

It's never good when men play "grab-ass" with women... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #37

Did anybody say it is? LisaL Nov 2017 #51

Making silly jokes, like the ones here, about grabbing a woman's ass are SO not funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #55

I don't see any jokes. LisaL Nov 2017 #58

Gee, let's just see... goin' down the list... ahhh, the very 1st post in response... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #78

Thank you ! Exactly right Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2017 #108

No one should play grab ass with anyone, male or female, if they don't want it to come back on them. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #148

Thanks for sharing that story... a good lesson worth noting. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #180

Um, nobody is joking about "playing grab ass." We also obviously respect women on DU. But continuing anneboleyn Nov 2017 #151

OMG!! I specifically took Al Franken OUT OF THE EQUATION... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #182

There is an allegation along with hyperbolic banter. NOTHING proven. When this woman says "I was LBM20 Nov 2017 #238

Does anybody know why all the "don't touch the butt" memes involve Nemo? snooper2 Nov 2017 #67

Yes I do lol DVRacer Nov 2017 #96

Maybe paid, but definitely politically motivated pandr32 Nov 2017 #128

Sorry MFM008 Nov 2017 #5

She seemed to be really disgusted that Franken octoberlib Nov 2017 #10

They weren't two bibles apart. LisaL Nov 2017 #13

Yeah , I caught that. octoberlib Nov 2017 #17

A very detailed statute Not Ruth Nov 2017 #6

I'm not sure that it's technically legal is a good defense mythology Nov 2017 #8

It's not... but, thankfully, Franken isn't making that argument. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #43

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. n/t n2doc Nov 2017 #7

Neither do I. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #22

Totally agree. LAS14 Nov 2017 #127

Exactly. Thank you. We are eating our own. Trump is still skating by w/out ANY serious media anneboleyn Nov 2017 #159

+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #81

Franken resigns in 3. 2. 1. Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #9

Crazy for him to do it. blue cat Nov 2017 #18

I would be very disappointed if he did uponit7771 Nov 2017 #162

No way. redwitch Nov 2017 #188

No way. The county fair thing is pure BS. Stop being so jelly spined. LBM20 Nov 2017 #239

As her husband took the photo? mainer Nov 2017 #11

She remembers voting for Trump, though. LisaL Nov 2017 #12

First person Lindsay Menz tweeted is Liz Wheeler of TrumpTV (OANN) on the 16th. octoberlib Nov 2017 #119

+1 mountain grammy Nov 2017 #131

Dude -- Lindsay Menz TOTALLY molested #metoo! OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #144

+1 geardaddy Nov 2017 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Nov 2017 #15

No it doesn't. LisaL Nov 2017 #16

He didnt say that. Youre right. Ill delete. octoberlib Nov 2017 #21

Yes it does! hexola Nov 2017 #23

WTF are you talking about? LisaL Nov 2017 #26

That's just common stuff Madam Mossfern Nov 2017 #137

I remember MFM008 Nov 2017 #31

Beyond that BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #34

Me either MFM008 Nov 2017 #38

Ive posed for photos with many people over the years mainer Nov 2017 #19

It's becoming too dangerous for politicians to even take a photo with someone. LisaL Nov 2017 #20

I agree. octoberlib Nov 2017 #25

It's like mass hysteria, with multiple abuse allegations flying around about multiple people, LisaL Nov 2017 #30

As someone else in here posted, octoberlib Nov 2017 #35

Well, it is. LisaL Nov 2017 #40

Reminds me of the McMartin day care hysteria....... Jim Beard Nov 2017 #164

Yep. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #184

Hands in front, visible at all times, with an assistant doing the photo taking. kcr Nov 2017 #121

Agree hurple Nov 2017 #27

I am going to call this a case of ratfucking lying GOP types. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #28

Who were smart enough to contemporaneously document it. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #42

What do you mean by that? LisaL Nov 2017 #45

Read the article. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #50

document what they were standing close she decided he was a 'molester' ...you want to believe that Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #125

I'm not passing judgment. I'm merely noting this. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #157

I call it swiftboating again and again katmondoo Nov 2017 #47

Hey! He touched my butt too! Kleveland Nov 2017 #33

Don't tutch the but. LisaL Nov 2017 #36

:rofl: femmocrat Nov 2017 #61

Classic and very timely. LisaL Nov 2017 #63

Seems well timed to keep the story going as it was dying bitterross Nov 2017 #41

There were rumors on Twitter a couple of days ago about a second woman coming forward. femmocrat Nov 2017 #71

You cant trust anything from the ends-justify-the-means party Fullduplexxx Nov 2017 #44

This is out of control. It would be easy, in a group picture, to put democratisphere Nov 2017 #46

Guys this is a setup. Don't believe her. Joe941 Nov 2017 #48

Bullshit itsrobert Nov 2017 #49

100% not buying it. oasis Nov 2017 #115

How can she not remember if she voted for him? mainer Nov 2017 #52

She sure remembers she voted for Trump, though. LisaL Nov 2017 #65

Cause she isn't savvy enough to know if you can trace her voting record blimablam Nov 2017 #150

That's a very pleasant smile she has TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #53

InfoWars: "The photograph clearly shows that his finger is in her vagina" dalton99a Nov 2017 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author crosinski Nov 2017 #135

No ands ifs or butts, the repukes are trying to throw Franken under cornball 24 Nov 2017 #62

I get that but why on DU do they want to throw him under the bus? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #153

"I'll wait to see if more women come forward" B2G Nov 2017 #72

Yep Phentex Nov 2017 #75

What, in your view, does voting for Donald Fucking Trump equal? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #113

an ignorant person Phentex Nov 2017 #117

And the response from many DU'ers seems to be "She's lying" oberliner Nov 2017 #73

And what's your response? LisaL Nov 2017 #80

False dichotomy gollygee Nov 2017 #90

The Republicans are trivalize a serious issue and some Democrats are acting so extreme that Jim Beard Nov 2017 #167

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I posted. nt gollygee Nov 2017 #168

The rule that I follow is that I don't touch a person unless they invite me to. Blue_true Nov 2017 #183

My response is that people shouldn't grab people's rear ends without their permission oberliner Nov 2017 #154

Me too O ! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2017 #104

Same here. Blue_true Nov 2017 #185

Why? We can't evaluate each case on its own merits? treestar Nov 2017 #171

"Menz posted the photo with Franken on Facebook at the time, on August 27, 2010." Justice Nov 2017 #77

OK...we've reached the tipping point here mindfulNJ Nov 2017 #79

There is a thread going, where OP is suggesting that's it is too risky to nominate a man, LisaL Nov 2017 #84

Don't care anymore. kacekwl Nov 2017 #83

Yeah. We're seeing the infantilization of women. They should just... LAS14 Nov 2017 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #139

I am more butt than not - it's hard not touch my butt by accident nadine_mn Nov 2017 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #237

Mark the date and time BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #86

As an opposing view mythology Nov 2017 #94

I won't go that far. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #95

I'm reluctant to believe Franken was playing grab ass while posing nadine_mn Nov 2017 #97

She can't possibly be the only woman who took a picture with him at the state fair . Wonder lunasun Nov 2017 #142

Esp the 2 Bibles between them comment from her sister nadine_mn Nov 2017 #174

Franken seems to have some kind of odd predilection for future Trump supporters. octoberlib Nov 2017 #194

I could call CNN with a copycat story and it would be on the air within the hour. Vinca Nov 2017 #100

But that applies to accusations against Moore too ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #107

Roy Moore was banned from a mall for his behavior RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #112

Thank you! When Franken is banned from public establishments we can start equating. kcr Nov 2017 #126

I'm not equating Franken with Moore ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #200

You're not equating Moore, then you go on to do it again. kcr Nov 2017 #201

After everything we know now, sure ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #205

Are you claiming the right wing immediately squawked for his resignation? kcr Nov 2017 #206

No ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #211

Again. The Moore story is not the same. kcr Nov 2017 #215

Very true. So far there are 50+ witnesses supporting Moore accusers claims. Vinca Nov 2017 #116

This is the entire intent of these hit jobs treestar Nov 2017 #172

Oh yea, if we believe one accuser we have to believe them all. LisaL Nov 2017 #207

Ok ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #214

Bullshit, if you believe that do it! n/t USALiberal Nov 2017 #233

A right wing woman might, but I won't. But it would be the next breaking story. Vinca Nov 2017 #241

... eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #105

You mean saidsimplesimon Nov 2017 #109

We're either going to take these accusations seriously customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #120

Thank you for this post oberliner Nov 2017 #129

If we lose our ability to make distinctions between... LAS14 Nov 2017 #133

If we refuse to believe women who accuse people of sexual harrasment oberliner Nov 2017 #136

And if we believe every accuser without evidence, that's not a problem? LisaL Nov 2017 #212

And that American voter customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #235

It's not that the accuser is wrong. It's that the accusation is trivial, given... LAS14 Nov 2017 #250

"And that's just what they want" kcr Nov 2017 #141

Exactly. They want the opposite. LisaL Nov 2017 #213

So, in order to "win" customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #236

When they went low, we went high, and did that get us? LisaL Nov 2017 #245

Three million more votes than Trump customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #254

The right wing will not stop. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #134

As a woman, my Creep-o-Meter is now edging toward 'He may be a creep.' crosinski Nov 2017 #138

Baloney...it was a picture at a fair...you stand close together ...that is ridiculous...another Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #152

Your BS antenna do go up on the first one with Roger Stone though? Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2017 #161

I'm answering my own post, because we're about to leave. crosinski Nov 2017 #178

I agree with you and don't care who don't like it. Blue_true Nov 2017 #189

Thank you. I think the pattern will tell the real story. crosinski Nov 2017 #225

Republican family, surprise surprise riverwalker Nov 2017 #140

The smile riverwalker Nov 2017 #146

Notice the photo conveniently cropped riverwalker Nov 2017 #147

The women in the Bush photos were smiling too. B2G Nov 2017 #155

Did you forget to address the photo cropping? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #160

How do you know it's cropped? B2G Nov 2017 #163

With her husband standing right in front of them ?! OK, waiting for Franken's reply uponit7771 Nov 2017 #158

Roslyn Corrigan's mom was there too. B2G Nov 2017 #169

What does the husband being there prove? Blue_true Nov 2017 #190

Yes, and "touch" is not what she's describing she's saying he "grabbed" her ass and groped her. uponit7771 Nov 2017 #208

wouldnt you look startled? riverwalker Nov 2017 #217

Yeah, if it was a squeeze and not just a touch or someone putting their hands in the wrong uponit7771 Nov 2017 #222

only christian side hugs from now on for politicians. blimablam Nov 2017 #166

I will have to go back to folding my arms in elevators and not holding a door open for women.... Jim Beard Nov 2017 #173

The McMartin Pre-School. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #177

BS. Blue_true Nov 2017 #191

Well good for you but I was referring to the 1980's where there was a surge of radical fe Jim Beard Nov 2017 #216

Radical anything is typically prone to excess, that is the idea of radical. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #221

Yes, remember it well. Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #228

I wish DU didnt have people who instantly believe people with rightwing ties and Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #176

+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #179

Richard Painter said he's skeptical octoberlib Nov 2017 #187

Huh. I was wondering why I hadn't seen it anywhere. kcr Nov 2017 #198

We either give alleged victims a fair hearing or we don't. Blue_true Nov 2017 #192

What fair hearing are you taking about? LisaL Nov 2017 #209

We listen to the accusers. Blue_true Nov 2017 #220

They do listen. But they need a republican in senate to pass the tax bill. LisaL Nov 2017 #223

Is this all it takes to bring down a Senator? riverwalker Nov 2017 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2017 #181

It is absolutely fascinating Eko Nov 2017 #186

I just look at it this way-I would have never voted for Moore with or without accusations. LisaL Nov 2017 #210

I also posted this on LBN Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #197

While I think this could be a hit job, I am holding my judgement until all evidence is in geardaddy Nov 2017 #199

You can tell by the expression on her face she really shocked and appalled by it nt doc03 Nov 2017 #219

Franken has posed for multiple photos with my wife and daughter Generic Brad Nov 2017 #226

you would think decades of tv and radio working with women lots would come forward now mucifer Nov 2017 #251

This woman has a two-fer. She smears her husband R B Garr Nov 2017 #230

Well it sure is convenient that a guy who moves in liberal circles for decades Kentonio Nov 2017 #240

Don't tutch the but Orrex Nov 2017 #242

I wondered where that drawing was from, lol. I wasn't on DU yet. octoberlib Nov 2017 #248