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InAbLuEsTaTe

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246. Demsrule, I know you're highly intelligent and I respect your opinion...

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:01 AM

Nov 2017

so, tell me where in my comments do you see me talking about Franken and that photo? I SPECIFICALLY said and repeated in my comments, that I was NOT talking about him in this specific instance.

Shall, I repeat them here for you? See my comments above AND below (for example, #'s 37, 55, 78, 182)... I've been consistent on this point.

So, OBVIOUSLY, there is no "Devil's Advocate" argument, as you incorrectly claim I made. You could not be MORE wrong. I was NOT talking about Franken or that photo, period!!

ALL I was saying is that it's NEVER funny to joke about grabbing a woman's ass, like many have done here on this thread. I don't give a flying fuck whether Franken did it or not!!! It's STILL not the least bit funny!!! These people should be ashamed of themselves!!!

So, please read my comments carefully... you will clearly see this. You wouldn't like someone putting words in your mouth... so, why are you doing it?!

Sorry if I sound a little annoyed... that's because I AM!

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A woman called CNN and said Franken touched her butt [View all] octoberlib Nov 2017 OP

Was it a cigarette butt? Sanity Claws Nov 2017 #1

No, but she did say she wasnt registered to any octoberlib Nov 2017 #3

How many democrats do you know that voted for Trump? LisaL Nov 2017 #69

I don't care what party a woman is registered to or who they voted for... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #70

Throw the book at him, there is nothing in the book. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #227

"The book" is entirely irrelevant... no excuse is all I'm sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #231

It is a photo...and please tell me you don't believe that Franken played grab ass with this silly Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #244

Demsrule, I know you're highly intelligent and I respect your opinion... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #246

I misunderstood...I think Franken is a put up job Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #247

No worries Demsrule... ironically, my comments were written precisely with women like you in mind... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #249

Okay,have not said boo about this, Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #253

That is all you need to hear. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #123

+1 n/t. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #232

. Orrex Nov 2017 #2

This is not good. femmocrat Nov 2017 #4

At some point we have to ask ourselves... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #14

sounds like bullshit to me. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #24

Except she apparently posted about it in 2010. So it might be bullshit. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #29

It sounds like she is super-conservative because one of the comments she got on that photo LisaL Nov 2017 #32

Possible, but the fact that she contemporaneously documented in 2010 is interesting. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #39

Sounds like she expected Al to do the same thing as the republican she took the photo with did, LisaL Nov 2017 #54

I note that the Facebook interaction with her sister in 2010 where she describes the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #57

How did she describe it? Did she say he groped her? brush Nov 2017 #88

There are private investiation companies that specialize in social media and sexual assult hexola Nov 2017 #56

So you are claiming the woman made the allegation in 2010, then? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #59

Im not "claiming" anything...sheesssh. hexola Nov 2017 #60

Then what are you suggesting? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #64

I would like to know what you are suggesting? LisaL Nov 2017 #66

She told her mother, father, husband at the time, and wrote about it on Facebook too. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #68

As long as its on facebook, you have to believe it. LisaL Nov 2017 #74

Well, telling her sister about it on Facebook in 2010 is interesting. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #76

She got a reaction from the photo that they were too close to each other, not two bibles apart. LisaL Nov 2017 #85

Yep. It looks like they're joking about how close together they are. kcr Nov 2017 #114

VermontKevin is a Russian bot. Pay no attention. trof Nov 2017 #224

No one has seen it riverwalker Nov 2017 #143

But no one has seen these Facebook posts riverwalker Nov 2017 #252

From what I understand, she posted the pix in '10 but said nothing about any groping brush Nov 2017 #87

From the article: B2G Nov 2017 #89

Hope she or someone has a screen grab of that comment from 2010 or it just a he said/she said. brush Nov 2017 #91

Again, according to the article, B2G Nov 2017 #92

I got that, but a screen grab of what's only visible to her facebook friends with some kind of... brush Nov 2017 #93

Oh for F sake forthemiddle Nov 2017 #196

She didn't report it in 2010, she posted something on facebook brush Nov 2017 #203

As far as I can tell... OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #229

Given what is posted here Bettie Nov 2017 #98

"totally molested' means standing too close? nt B2G Nov 2017 #99

As a Midwestern born and raised woman Bettie Nov 2017 #101

I too am a born and raised Midwestern woman. B2G Nov 2017 #102

The phrasing of the comment Bettie Nov 2017 #106

Sounds like hyperbolic sarcasm to me. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #103

Right? Bettie Nov 2017 #110

Agree. Think you nailed it. nt awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #111

This midwestern born and raised woman totally agrees. kcr Nov 2017 #132

Me too. It seems clearly sarcastic to me. It isn't a serious claim that she posted on Facebook -- it anneboleyn Nov 2017 #149

Yep. joshcryer Nov 2017 #202

Excuse me this is the evidence? You are kidding right? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #124

I know exactly how you feel. nt B2G Nov 2017 #145

Yes, a cropped photo. Where is the rest of it and what does it show? Trump STILL not being anneboleyn Nov 2017 #165

How do you know there IS more? B2G Nov 2017 #170

The article contains what she posted. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #118

I do not believe Franken played grab ass with that woman at a fair with her husband there...she is a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #122

Look, I'm not making a judgment until more facts come out, but what is irrefutable at this VermontKevin Nov 2017 #156

Her alleged "totally molested" statement that she posted in 2010 proves she's full of shit Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #204

I making a judgement...she is a liar. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #243

I'm with you WyLoochka Nov 2017 #234

You can backdate posts in Facebook n/t urbanhermit Nov 2017 #195

It's never good when men play "grab-ass" with women... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #37

Did anybody say it is? LisaL Nov 2017 #51

Making silly jokes, like the ones here, about grabbing a woman's ass are SO not funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #55

I don't see any jokes. LisaL Nov 2017 #58

Gee, let's just see... goin' down the list... ahhh, the very 1st post in response... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #78

Thank you ! Exactly right Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2017 #108

No one should play grab ass with anyone, male or female, if they don't want it to come back on them. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #148

Thanks for sharing that story... a good lesson worth noting. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #180

Um, nobody is joking about "playing grab ass." We also obviously respect women on DU. But continuing anneboleyn Nov 2017 #151

OMG!! I specifically took Al Franken OUT OF THE EQUATION... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #182

There is an allegation along with hyperbolic banter. NOTHING proven. When this woman says "I was LBM20 Nov 2017 #238

Does anybody know why all the "don't touch the butt" memes involve Nemo? snooper2 Nov 2017 #67

Yes I do lol DVRacer Nov 2017 #96

Maybe paid, but definitely politically motivated pandr32 Nov 2017 #128

Sorry MFM008 Nov 2017 #5

She seemed to be really disgusted that Franken octoberlib Nov 2017 #10

They weren't two bibles apart. LisaL Nov 2017 #13

Yeah , I caught that. octoberlib Nov 2017 #17

A very detailed statute Not Ruth Nov 2017 #6

I'm not sure that it's technically legal is a good defense mythology Nov 2017 #8

It's not... but, thankfully, Franken isn't making that argument. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #43

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. n/t n2doc Nov 2017 #7

Neither do I. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #22

Totally agree. LAS14 Nov 2017 #127

Exactly. Thank you. We are eating our own. Trump is still skating by w/out ANY serious media anneboleyn Nov 2017 #159

+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #81

Franken resigns in 3. 2. 1. Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #9

Crazy for him to do it. blue cat Nov 2017 #18

I would be very disappointed if he did uponit7771 Nov 2017 #162

No way. redwitch Nov 2017 #188

No way. The county fair thing is pure BS. Stop being so jelly spined. LBM20 Nov 2017 #239

As her husband took the photo? mainer Nov 2017 #11

She remembers voting for Trump, though. LisaL Nov 2017 #12

First person Lindsay Menz tweeted is Liz Wheeler of TrumpTV (OANN) on the 16th. octoberlib Nov 2017 #119

+1 mountain grammy Nov 2017 #131

Dude -- Lindsay Menz TOTALLY molested #metoo! OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #144

+1 geardaddy Nov 2017 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Nov 2017 #15

No it doesn't. LisaL Nov 2017 #16

He didnt say that. Youre right. Ill delete. octoberlib Nov 2017 #21

Yes it does! hexola Nov 2017 #23

WTF are you talking about? LisaL Nov 2017 #26

That's just common stuff Madam Mossfern Nov 2017 #137

I remember MFM008 Nov 2017 #31

Beyond that BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #34

Me either MFM008 Nov 2017 #38

Ive posed for photos with many people over the years mainer Nov 2017 #19

It's becoming too dangerous for politicians to even take a photo with someone. LisaL Nov 2017 #20

I agree. octoberlib Nov 2017 #25

It's like mass hysteria, with multiple abuse allegations flying around about multiple people, LisaL Nov 2017 #30

As someone else in here posted, octoberlib Nov 2017 #35

Well, it is. LisaL Nov 2017 #40

Reminds me of the McMartin day care hysteria....... Jim Beard Nov 2017 #164

Yep. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #184

Hands in front, visible at all times, with an assistant doing the photo taking. kcr Nov 2017 #121

Agree hurple Nov 2017 #27

I am going to call this a case of ratfucking lying GOP types. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #28

Who were smart enough to contemporaneously document it. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #42

What do you mean by that? LisaL Nov 2017 #45

Read the article. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #50

document what they were standing close she decided he was a 'molester' ...you want to believe that Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #125

I'm not passing judgment. I'm merely noting this. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #157

I call it swiftboating again and again katmondoo Nov 2017 #47

Hey! He touched my butt too! Kleveland Nov 2017 #33

Don't tutch the but. LisaL Nov 2017 #36

:rofl: femmocrat Nov 2017 #61

Classic and very timely. LisaL Nov 2017 #63

Seems well timed to keep the story going as it was dying bitterross Nov 2017 #41

There were rumors on Twitter a couple of days ago about a second woman coming forward. femmocrat Nov 2017 #71

You cant trust anything from the ends-justify-the-means party Fullduplexxx Nov 2017 #44

This is out of control. It would be easy, in a group picture, to put democratisphere Nov 2017 #46

Guys this is a setup. Don't believe her. Joe941 Nov 2017 #48

Bullshit itsrobert Nov 2017 #49

100% not buying it. oasis Nov 2017 #115

How can she not remember if she voted for him? mainer Nov 2017 #52

She sure remembers she voted for Trump, though. LisaL Nov 2017 #65

Cause she isn't savvy enough to know if you can trace her voting record blimablam Nov 2017 #150

That's a very pleasant smile she has TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #53

InfoWars: "The photograph clearly shows that his finger is in her vagina" dalton99a Nov 2017 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author crosinski Nov 2017 #135

No ands ifs or butts, the repukes are trying to throw Franken under cornball 24 Nov 2017 #62

I get that but why on DU do they want to throw him under the bus? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #153

"I'll wait to see if more women come forward" B2G Nov 2017 #72

Yep Phentex Nov 2017 #75

What, in your view, does voting for Donald Fucking Trump equal? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #113

an ignorant person Phentex Nov 2017 #117

And the response from many DU'ers seems to be "She's lying" oberliner Nov 2017 #73

And what's your response? LisaL Nov 2017 #80

False dichotomy gollygee Nov 2017 #90

The Republicans are trivalize a serious issue and some Democrats are acting so extreme that Jim Beard Nov 2017 #167

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I posted. nt gollygee Nov 2017 #168

The rule that I follow is that I don't touch a person unless they invite me to. Blue_true Nov 2017 #183

My response is that people shouldn't grab people's rear ends without their permission oberliner Nov 2017 #154

Me too O ! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2017 #104

Same here. Blue_true Nov 2017 #185

Why? We can't evaluate each case on its own merits? treestar Nov 2017 #171

"Menz posted the photo with Franken on Facebook at the time, on August 27, 2010." Justice Nov 2017 #77

OK...we've reached the tipping point here mindfulNJ Nov 2017 #79

There is a thread going, where OP is suggesting that's it is too risky to nominate a man, LisaL Nov 2017 #84

Don't care anymore. kacekwl Nov 2017 #83

Yeah. We're seeing the infantilization of women. They should just... LAS14 Nov 2017 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #139

I am more butt than not - it's hard not touch my butt by accident nadine_mn Nov 2017 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #237

Mark the date and time BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #86

As an opposing view mythology Nov 2017 #94

I won't go that far. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #95

I'm reluctant to believe Franken was playing grab ass while posing nadine_mn Nov 2017 #97

She can't possibly be the only woman who took a picture with him at the state fair . Wonder lunasun Nov 2017 #142

Esp the 2 Bibles between them comment from her sister nadine_mn Nov 2017 #174

Franken seems to have some kind of odd predilection for future Trump supporters. octoberlib Nov 2017 #194

I could call CNN with a copycat story and it would be on the air within the hour. Vinca Nov 2017 #100

But that applies to accusations against Moore too ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #107

Roy Moore was banned from a mall for his behavior RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #112

Thank you! When Franken is banned from public establishments we can start equating. kcr Nov 2017 #126

I'm not equating Franken with Moore ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #200

You're not equating Moore, then you go on to do it again. kcr Nov 2017 #201

After everything we know now, sure ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #205

Are you claiming the right wing immediately squawked for his resignation? kcr Nov 2017 #206

No ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #211

Again. The Moore story is not the same. kcr Nov 2017 #215

Very true. So far there are 50+ witnesses supporting Moore accusers claims. Vinca Nov 2017 #116

This is the entire intent of these hit jobs treestar Nov 2017 #172

Oh yea, if we believe one accuser we have to believe them all. LisaL Nov 2017 #207

Ok ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #214

Bullshit, if you believe that do it! n/t USALiberal Nov 2017 #233

A right wing woman might, but I won't. But it would be the next breaking story. Vinca Nov 2017 #241

... eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #105

You mean saidsimplesimon Nov 2017 #109

We're either going to take these accusations seriously customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #120

Thank you for this post oberliner Nov 2017 #129

If we lose our ability to make distinctions between... LAS14 Nov 2017 #133

If we refuse to believe women who accuse people of sexual harrasment oberliner Nov 2017 #136

And if we believe every accuser without evidence, that's not a problem? LisaL Nov 2017 #212

And that American voter customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #235

It's not that the accuser is wrong. It's that the accusation is trivial, given... LAS14 Nov 2017 #250

"And that's just what they want" kcr Nov 2017 #141

Exactly. They want the opposite. LisaL Nov 2017 #213

So, in order to "win" customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #236

When they went low, we went high, and did that get us? LisaL Nov 2017 #245

Three million more votes than Trump customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #254

The right wing will not stop. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #134

As a woman, my Creep-o-Meter is now edging toward 'He may be a creep.' crosinski Nov 2017 #138

Baloney...it was a picture at a fair...you stand close together ...that is ridiculous...another Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #152

Your BS antenna do go up on the first one with Roger Stone though? Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2017 #161

I'm answering my own post, because we're about to leave. crosinski Nov 2017 #178

I agree with you and don't care who don't like it. Blue_true Nov 2017 #189

Thank you. I think the pattern will tell the real story. crosinski Nov 2017 #225

Republican family, surprise surprise riverwalker Nov 2017 #140

The smile riverwalker Nov 2017 #146

Notice the photo conveniently cropped riverwalker Nov 2017 #147

The women in the Bush photos were smiling too. B2G Nov 2017 #155

Did you forget to address the photo cropping? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #160

How do you know it's cropped? B2G Nov 2017 #163

With her husband standing right in front of them ?! OK, waiting for Franken's reply uponit7771 Nov 2017 #158

Roslyn Corrigan's mom was there too. B2G Nov 2017 #169

What does the husband being there prove? Blue_true Nov 2017 #190

Yes, and "touch" is not what she's describing she's saying he "grabbed" her ass and groped her. uponit7771 Nov 2017 #208

wouldnt you look startled? riverwalker Nov 2017 #217

Yeah, if it was a squeeze and not just a touch or someone putting their hands in the wrong uponit7771 Nov 2017 #222

only christian side hugs from now on for politicians. blimablam Nov 2017 #166

I will have to go back to folding my arms in elevators and not holding a door open for women.... Jim Beard Nov 2017 #173

The McMartin Pre-School. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #177

BS. Blue_true Nov 2017 #191

Well good for you but I was referring to the 1980's where there was a surge of radical fe Jim Beard Nov 2017 #216

Radical anything is typically prone to excess, that is the idea of radical. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #221

Yes, remember it well. Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #228

I wish DU didnt have people who instantly believe people with rightwing ties and Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #176

+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #179

Richard Painter said he's skeptical octoberlib Nov 2017 #187

Huh. I was wondering why I hadn't seen it anywhere. kcr Nov 2017 #198

We either give alleged victims a fair hearing or we don't. Blue_true Nov 2017 #192

What fair hearing are you taking about? LisaL Nov 2017 #209

We listen to the accusers. Blue_true Nov 2017 #220

They do listen. But they need a republican in senate to pass the tax bill. LisaL Nov 2017 #223

Is this all it takes to bring down a Senator? riverwalker Nov 2017 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2017 #181

It is absolutely fascinating Eko Nov 2017 #186

I just look at it this way-I would have never voted for Moore with or without accusations. LisaL Nov 2017 #210

I also posted this on LBN Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #197

While I think this could be a hit job, I am holding my judgement until all evidence is in geardaddy Nov 2017 #199

You can tell by the expression on her face she really shocked and appalled by it nt doc03 Nov 2017 #219

Franken has posed for multiple photos with my wife and daughter Generic Brad Nov 2017 #226

you would think decades of tv and radio working with women lots would come forward now mucifer Nov 2017 #251

This woman has a two-fer. She smears her husband R B Garr Nov 2017 #230

Well it sure is convenient that a guy who moves in liberal circles for decades Kentonio Nov 2017 #240

Don't tutch the but Orrex Nov 2017 #242

I wondered where that drawing was from, lol. I wasn't on DU yet. octoberlib Nov 2017 #248