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gollygee

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20. I've read it here

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:03 PM

Nov 2017

That they were lying and were working for Trump or the Russians or I don't know what all. Look around. It's all over.

He made an inappropriate joke that someone didn't consent to. It was a mistake but it wasn't that big of a deal. But yeah he did it and he apologized for it. That doesn't mean he needs to go to jail or resign. It's nice to see someone actually admit it and apologize for once.

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Have we abandoned the principle of Innocent until prove Guilty? [View all] Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 OP

Yes. NT enough Nov 2017 #1

It seems to be the case GatoGordo Nov 2017 #2

They cannot tymorial Nov 2017 #31

It is weaponization of a real issue moda253 Nov 2017 #33

Well said! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2017 #37

Hear hear! defacto7 Nov 2017 #52

There's no doubt in my mind that we're being played. crosinski Nov 2017 #59

Exactly. And when this happens enough times? kcr Nov 2017 #60

Who has lost their job so far based on flimsy evidence? Kaleva Nov 2017 #3

+1 itsrobert Nov 2017 #14

It's not even the only legal principle gollygee Nov 2017 #4

Never said 'beyond a reasonable doubt" Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #7

Not even slightly gollygee Nov 2017 #8

That's rather odd considering Al apologized to his first accuser TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #15

I've read it here gollygee Nov 2017 #20

No. I don't think he should resign either. N/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #38

Here Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #29

I hadn't read those gollygee Nov 2017 #32

I don't think he admitted to anything other than being part of a bad joke. moda253 Nov 2017 #35

The inappropriate joke is the "some of this" I was talking about gollygee Nov 2017 #64

Yes CatMor Nov 2017 #5

Innocent til proven guilty is not a real thing Not Ruth Nov 2017 #6

not familiar with the intricacies of either, but isn't some evidence required? unblock Nov 2017 #11

DWI Not Ruth Nov 2017 #30

This guy beat the gun laws by claiming to be stupid Not Ruth Nov 2017 #34

not to defend that law (because it's ridiculously draconian and easily abused), unblock Nov 2017 #36

Yes, it is a "legal thing," and it's called "presumption of innocence." n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #39

Yes, it's a legal principle. cloudbase Nov 2017 #9

The principle applies to the legal system mcar Nov 2017 #10

The ones losing their jobs have admitted bad behavior ksoze Nov 2017 #12

Many admitted bad behaviors Igel Nov 2017 #47

No. johnp3907 Nov 2017 #13

public images can be ethereal, based on smoke and mirrors, gone in a small breeze. unblock Nov 2017 #16

Of course it's not consistent. Igel Nov 2017 #48

Have we abandoned the ability to recognize a court sentence from an opinion on the internet LanternWaste Nov 2017 #17

Did Charlie Rose get charged with something? maxsolomon Nov 2017 #18

It's a bad precedent. Igel Nov 2017 #49

nope, and if someone is falsely accused.... steve2470 Nov 2017 #19

But that flies in the face of the mantra that "these women should be believed". Just think how OnDoutside Nov 2017 #22

yes you are correct steve2470 Nov 2017 #24

Yes, 100% OnDoutside Nov 2017 #26

False dichotomy gollygee Nov 2017 #25

That's the way it certainly should work but the frenzy at the moment OnDoutside Nov 2017 #41

I believe who I believe and I don't who I don't. Iggo Nov 2017 #55

We'll that's reassuring. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #57

This isn't about a criminal or even civil trial frazzled Nov 2017 #21

Funny you should say that since you were backing Gillibrand saying Clinton should've resigned brush Nov 2017 #23

Trial by Social Media! You are gulity until the next thing comes along. FSogol Nov 2017 #27

You make a good point Panho Nov 2017 #28

It's a requirement from the governments viewpoint fescuerescue Nov 2017 #40

So no evidence is required. Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #45

correct. fescuerescue Nov 2017 #50

Explains Trump supporters Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #53

I have never adhered to that policy in my personal life. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #42

It is called the court of public opinion and we have a right to our opinions. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #43

That's more or less what I said on another post. How do guys prove it if they didn't do it. He said blueinredohio Nov 2017 #44

Who has lost their job because of flimsy evidence of sexual misbehaviour? Kaleva Nov 2017 #46

I didn't say anything about losing their job blueinredohio Nov 2017 #63

The OP did and you more or less agreed with it. Kaleva Nov 2017 #65

I think Moore has been more than proven guilty. Joe941 Nov 2017 #51

Last time I checked, it's still going strong in our courts. Iggo Nov 2017 #54

Two words: Her emails marylandblue Nov 2017 #56

You asked us as a group, and that's difficult. crosinski Nov 2017 #58

Not in the courts, but for all other purposes treestar Nov 2017 #61

IMO, the evidence isnt so flimsy. I guarantee these various companies NYC Liberal Nov 2017 #62