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The Straight Story

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:14 PM Jul 2012

My apologies, but maybe I am just getting old and remember D&D dust up too well [View all]

When I was a teen my high school history teacher burned my dungeons and dragons books (me and others were camping out on his property and he was a Christian Fundie).

There was a craze back then - see the 60 minutes documentary (on youtube) and the movie Mazes and Monsters (starring a young Tom Hanks) - where people were blaming role playing games for many ills.

Kids killing themselves or others were blamed on the game. It was a tool of the devil.

Were there a few who maybe used the game in ways not intended? Sure. Didn't know any myself but I am guessing maybe that there were some who had issues and 'got too involved' in it.

I remember that time well (not just for the reasons above). I was looking at getting a cool cloak (based on the LOTR) and my dad (a christian fundie) got upset and said no way could I buy one because he was afraid I would become like those other kids (he watched the 60 minutes show) that were drawn into the game and did terrible things.

Guns. Video Games. Movies. These are not the causes of things we see going on at times.

The person who did this latest act was not motivated by any of those things. They had free will and used it for reasons that we don't really know at this point.

To start blaming such things is to remove the real causes and empower things which don't really have any power at all. It is a way, perhaps, for some to try and make sense of it all. But it is not based on truth.

It is a way, used by many I have seen in the past, to make sense of something which makes no sense. People trying to tell themselves that if they can isolate what they see as a cause they can save us all from the same thing happening again.

It is lying to yourself and to others. An attempt to control what you cannot.

Problem here is not the guns, the games, computers, etc - the problem we face is trying to make sense of what some psycho did. And you can't do that fully.

You cannot, no matter how much you want to, control others and gain a perfect and safe society. And you sure as hell cannot achieve that by looking at that person and trying to remove from the rest of us the tools they had or the things they did for pleasure and hoping that will fix it all for you and make it all better.

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Preach it, brother!! LAGC Jul 2012 #1
Do you think that our society as a whole is more violent now than, say, 30 years ago? Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #2
Lowest rate in 40 years? The Straight Story Jul 2012 #3
Hmm. Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #8
Because prison population these days is such an indicator of violent crime rates, right? (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #16
also as i recall the 70s were a peak crime era (something to do with the percent of young men HiPointDem Jul 2012 #30
Boomers' prime years for violent crime tapered off late in the 70s JVS Jul 2012 #39
violent crime, uniform crime rate, 1957-2006. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #41
That was just refuted on msnbc - seems like some difference of opinion flamingdem Jul 2012 #12
This is a gun lobby point I'm afraid, it is violence, NOT deaths by guns which remain constant flamingdem Jul 2012 #13
If the actual number's constant over decades, that means the rate's going down. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #17
Marginally, not the 50% figure I've seen thrown around here all day nt flamingdem Jul 2012 #18
This is a good graphic showing the marked declines since 1993: bhikkhu Jul 2012 #20
I think the issue is death by gun violence flamingdem Jul 2012 #22
The graphic for that shows the same trend bhikkhu Jul 2012 #26
Link? nt flamingdem Jul 2012 #28
Here: bhikkhu Jul 2012 #34
I think it's enough to focus on the last decade where it's flat at 10,000 per year flamingdem Jul 2012 #35
Number/percent in prison HiPointDem Jul 2012 #32
I think we see everything now- the moment it happens Marrah_G Jul 2012 #11
30 years ago if you told me we'd be invading occupying Iraq and Afghanistan... JVS Jul 2012 #38
I still play D&D and I remember that shit too. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #4
Ah, the good old days. Iggo Jul 2012 #44
Remember this crazy woman? bluestateguy Jul 2012 #5
ah the 80's, when devil arely staircase Jul 2012 #48
D&D is so 80's, man. longship Jul 2012 #6
Actually around here D and D has made a really big comeback Marrah_G Jul 2012 #14
My only remaining D&D vice? longship Jul 2012 #25
"But it's complexity and it's depth of story line rivals the MPG's of online gaming." white_wolf Jul 2012 #29
OMG I can't believe that's still around. Used to be a kick. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #37
"You are in a maze of passages all alike" longship Jul 2012 #40
That was Adventure, which later became Zork! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2012 #47
My group of gamers tends to play Pathfinder these days. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2012 #46
See my other thread on moral panics. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #7
Same thing with the Ouija board decades earlier NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #9
You can't have a perfect and safe society but hay rick Jul 2012 #10
I remember I had a book on the meaning of dreams that my aunt (on my father's side) gave me. My Raine Jul 2012 #15
I think dream interpretation is total bullshit Nevernose Jul 2012 #33
I don't believe in the interpretations either. It hurts though because it was gift Raine Jul 2012 #36
I agree with 95% of what you say. white_wolf Jul 2012 #19
Agree---100% Clyde39 Jul 2012 #24
Wrong. You can have a safER society. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #21
It's just typical human and modern American(sic) garbage JEK1959 Jul 2012 #23
The Dark Dungeons tract is still on the Chick website! backscatter712 Jul 2012 #27
I'm 26 and remember Tipper Gore's puritanical crusade against video games. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #31
I remember that 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #42
So you believe guns are no more dangerous than D&D? TroglodyteScholar Jul 2012 #43
I once robbed a 7-11 with a 2nd Edition Player's Handbook. Curtland1015 Jul 2012 #45
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