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In reply to the discussion: Stochastic Terrorism [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)113. Has been mentioned in several killings; one of police officers, another in SF at a 'liberal' place;
And people gunned down at a church. People have been attacked from this in cases that did not result in deaths but were clearly acts terrorism in which the rantings from Glenn Beck were prominently mentioned. He was even mentioned in the trials.
From Thom Hartmann's website:
Are Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and the rest of the gang guilty of stochastic terrorism?
Submitted by louisehartmann on 13. January 2011 - 10:02
President Obama was in Arizona last night to speak at a memorial service for the victims of the Arizona shooting. He - along with a few Members of Congress also visited Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in the hospital where more positive signs of recovery continue to emerge. Giffords reportedly opened her eyes for the first time. The President focused his speech on the victims of the tragedy using the death of 9-year-old Christina Green to encourage our nation to move forward to be better. As he said, I want America to be as good as she imagined it. His speech stood in stark contrast to the bitter and divisive statement Sarah Palin released the day before. Palin focused much of her time on the shooter and invoked the term blood libel to characterize her treatment from the media. Blood libel is a blatantly anti-Semitic remark and may also be a dog whistle to her base of militias and ultra Conservatives as she prepares her 2012 Presidential run. While President Obama stayed above the fray refusing to condemn the political rhetoric coming from the Right as he probably should I wont.
When you listen to people like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and the rest of the gang its easy to see these men and women are guilty of something called stochastic terrorism. That is the use of mass communication like radio or television to encourage individuals to commit random lone acts of violence. Its what Glenn Beck was guilty of when he encouraged Byron Williams to attempt to massacre members of the Tides foundation and ACLU. Its what Bill O Reilly was guilty of when he shouted Tiller the baby killer a dozen times on his show and then someone killed Dr. George Tiller. And it could be what all these talking heads are guilty of when Jared Lee Loughner took his semi-automatic pistol to a local Safeway grocery store in Tucson on Saturday and attacked his hated "big government" by trying to assassinate a Congresswoman. We are living in a volatile and violent nation today and if we want to emerge from it we need to recognize the damage certain people on the Right are doing. They are profiting off their own unique form of terrorism.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2011/01/are-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-michael-savage-and-rest-gang-guilty-stochastic-terrorism
Thom Hartmann is not a loose talker and liberals do not call for gunning down liberals as conservatives such as Rush, Michael Reagan and others. There were death threats inspired by O'Reilly against Christne Gregoire, and other liberal poltiicans and some of these have resulted in convicions.
This is no a new concept and it's been around a long time. If one thinks that America is immune to the kind of media inspired violence that the Nazis used in their inflammatory rhetoric, or when imams called for people being killed as a a result of cartoons, or that all killings are just random, they really should check out history.
Thom's webpage above gives well-known examples. There was a Democrat running for office in AR who had his family terrorized; buidings where Democrats were holding their precinct meetings have been bombed. It's rather disingenous to say that no one knows about this phenomenon.
I've seen these on the bumpers and back windows of SUVs and pickup trucks for years:

Some may have trouble reading that. For those, here is the text:
No Bag Limit - Tagging Not Required. May be used while under the influence of alcohol. May be used to Hunt Liberals at Gay Oride Parades, Democrat Conventions, Union Rallys, Handgun Control Meetings, News Media Association, Lesbian Luncheons, and Hollywood Functions. MAY HUNT DAY OR NIGHT WITH OR WITHOUT DOGS
There was a more recent one:

Some posters see liberals and conservatives as the same. Some people see socialists and fascists as the same. No explanation will answer the questions.
From Thom Hartmann's website:
Are Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and the rest of the gang guilty of stochastic terrorism?
Submitted by louisehartmann on 13. January 2011 - 10:02
President Obama was in Arizona last night to speak at a memorial service for the victims of the Arizona shooting. He - along with a few Members of Congress also visited Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in the hospital where more positive signs of recovery continue to emerge. Giffords reportedly opened her eyes for the first time. The President focused his speech on the victims of the tragedy using the death of 9-year-old Christina Green to encourage our nation to move forward to be better. As he said, I want America to be as good as she imagined it. His speech stood in stark contrast to the bitter and divisive statement Sarah Palin released the day before. Palin focused much of her time on the shooter and invoked the term blood libel to characterize her treatment from the media. Blood libel is a blatantly anti-Semitic remark and may also be a dog whistle to her base of militias and ultra Conservatives as she prepares her 2012 Presidential run. While President Obama stayed above the fray refusing to condemn the political rhetoric coming from the Right as he probably should I wont.
When you listen to people like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and the rest of the gang its easy to see these men and women are guilty of something called stochastic terrorism. That is the use of mass communication like radio or television to encourage individuals to commit random lone acts of violence. Its what Glenn Beck was guilty of when he encouraged Byron Williams to attempt to massacre members of the Tides foundation and ACLU. Its what Bill O Reilly was guilty of when he shouted Tiller the baby killer a dozen times on his show and then someone killed Dr. George Tiller. And it could be what all these talking heads are guilty of when Jared Lee Loughner took his semi-automatic pistol to a local Safeway grocery store in Tucson on Saturday and attacked his hated "big government" by trying to assassinate a Congresswoman. We are living in a volatile and violent nation today and if we want to emerge from it we need to recognize the damage certain people on the Right are doing. They are profiting off their own unique form of terrorism.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2011/01/are-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-michael-savage-and-rest-gang-guilty-stochastic-terrorism
Thom Hartmann is not a loose talker and liberals do not call for gunning down liberals as conservatives such as Rush, Michael Reagan and others. There were death threats inspired by O'Reilly against Christne Gregoire, and other liberal poltiicans and some of these have resulted in convicions.
This is no a new concept and it's been around a long time. If one thinks that America is immune to the kind of media inspired violence that the Nazis used in their inflammatory rhetoric, or when imams called for people being killed as a a result of cartoons, or that all killings are just random, they really should check out history.
Thom's webpage above gives well-known examples. There was a Democrat running for office in AR who had his family terrorized; buidings where Democrats were holding their precinct meetings have been bombed. It's rather disingenous to say that no one knows about this phenomenon.
I've seen these on the bumpers and back windows of SUVs and pickup trucks for years:

Some may have trouble reading that. For those, here is the text:
No Bag Limit - Tagging Not Required. May be used while under the influence of alcohol. May be used to Hunt Liberals at Gay Oride Parades, Democrat Conventions, Union Rallys, Handgun Control Meetings, News Media Association, Lesbian Luncheons, and Hollywood Functions. MAY HUNT DAY OR NIGHT WITH OR WITHOUT DOGS
There was a more recent one:

Some posters see liberals and conservatives as the same. Some people see socialists and fascists as the same. No explanation will answer the questions.
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I'm not seeing a connection between such a trite conspiracy theory and some wack job shooting up...
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#21
This is DU, where we can say Ann Romney has sex with her horse, and nobody asks to see proof.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#116
There are assertions everywhere without facts. Why so much focus on one OP that accuses Rush ?
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#119
Could you post some peer-reviewed articles on the concept of "stochastic terrorism"?
Brickbat
Jul 2012
#28
I searched for reputable publications on the subject of "stochastic terrorism"
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#60
Already read it. It makes no sense. Terrorism by definition has an intended goal
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#71
Nadin is right about the origin in social sciences of the term stochastics. It's a branch of
leveymg
Jul 2012
#126
I don't have time to read everything, and I really don't care what media clownz say
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#59
The point isn't what YOU read or do not read. The point is that you accused the OP
sabrina 1
Jul 2012
#82
That's paranoid, just as ridiculous as blaming producers of violent movies like The Dark Night Rises
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#7
Has been mentioned in several killings; one of police officers, another in SF at a 'liberal' place;
freshwest
Jul 2012
#113
Yes, and the more they're brought to light...ahem,right-wing radio...the less effective they'll be.
gtar100
Jul 2012
#22
No, the nice thing about this theory is that it requires no hard evidence
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#83
If we're not supposed to leap to conclusions, why should we leap to the conclusion that he had
HiPointDem
Jul 2012
#41
iow not a medical professional or diagnostician. I myself worked "with" nuclear physicists.
HiPointDem
Jul 2012
#112
I'm struggling to fathom how on Earth a Rush Limbaugh could benefit from a horrible crime like this
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#63
How do you differentiate "stoichiastic terrorism" from "sh*t happens"
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#80
The OP is claiming that this is a case of stochastic terrorism. In other words, the act of
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#123
The OP is wrong about the cause of this criminal act. You are confusing one thing with another.
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#128
You are confused about the nature of stochastics - studies indeterminacy, not cause and effect.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#134
You should have read the OP which stated that there was a direct link between Limbaugh's speech
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#135
Is your problem with nadin's OP above , G2Geek's DK post, or Paul Rosenberg at OpenLeft?
leveymg
Jul 2012
#136
Because the OP said there was a direct link between what Limbaugh said specifically
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#137
Reference to Limbaugh is once or twice removed. Take it up with the others at the link.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#138