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Franken: Accusers 3 and 4. [View all] VermontKevin Nov 2017 OP

Franken is in trouble BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #1

Yeah. I would say that. One accuser performs in a feminist choir. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #4

Sorry...you either say who you are or you shut the fuck up...righties no doubt...I don't believe it Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #76

I guess the feminist choir member is a rightie? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #87

I have no interest in anonymous sourced period end of story...come forward or shut up. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #112

This hadEnuf Nov 2017 #151

The right to face your accuser leftynyc Nov 2017 #157

Well, Franken can sue. He will lose, but he can sue. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #164

I'm making no judgement leftynyc Nov 2017 #172

Does that really matter? pscot Nov 2017 #246

Yes most likely and the staring at the chest comments sound like 7th grade. We can't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #196

Im with you. cwydro Nov 2017 #180

I am sure you apply that standard to anonymous whistleblowers, too. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #187

I don't believe anonymous whistle blowers unless it is backed up in someway. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #194

Well, here you have backup. Someone did go on record. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #198

You apparently are heavily invested in Franken resigning, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #200

I think it's true. And I think there will be more women. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #202

You "think" and you "think". Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #204

No, it's entirely possible there will not be an ethics investigation because of the Senate rules. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #206

You declared at least twice downthread that there wouldn't be, among your frantic posts on this. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #212

Like I said, we have to see how the Senate investigation plays out. But I don't think there will be VermontKevin Nov 2017 #226

Then wait! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #228

Please, let the star chamber know I'm eager to greet them. I assume it includes the VermontKevin Nov 2017 #229

Oh that would be telling ... Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #230

Fortunately, this story isn't about what you think. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #223

There is an agenda here on this board, you see it, I see it, but I bet if we point Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #254

You are correct. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #265

What is a feminist choir? cwydro Nov 2017 #184

I assume they are talking about a choir like these ones: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #186

Not good, that's for sure... Trump should be made to resign first though. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #233

Read the whole article standingtall Nov 2017 #2

One performs in a feminist choir. The other was a 21 year old WOC. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #6

Not good... ugghhh. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #89

They are anonymous accusers? If so they can not be credible by definition. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #8

Yes they are annonymous standingtall Nov 2017 #13

Anonymous accusers can be very credible. One accuser told the reporter contemporaneously. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #21

Odd that the reporter didn't report it. brush Nov 2017 #34

At the time the accuser did not wish him to. He apparently respected the wishes of VermontKevin Nov 2017 #39

They can at least have the reported come out to verify te story without having them be identified. still_one Nov 2017 #62

In law, anonymous information by an uncorroborated previously untested source is inadmissible. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #36

Funny how Roy Moore supporters say the same thing brooklynite Nov 2017 #48

Hubris. John Edwards helped get Bush elected. So few want to VermontKevin Nov 2017 #57

How did John Edwards help get Bush elected? eom Control-Z Nov 2017 #85

Uhm, what?. Raine1967 Nov 2017 #146

None of Moore's 6 accusers is anonymous. Their accounts can at least be checked out and Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #59

Absolutely right. There is no reason for them not to come out. They would be supported, especially still_one Nov 2017 #98

Take a look at this thread. You think they would be supported here? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #165

yeah I do. Their anonymity is the motive behind the skepticism by some in this thread. still_one Nov 2017 #174

I am sure that every poster expressing concern about assault victims wishing to remain anonymous VermontKevin Nov 2017 #175

Don't we know who all the Trump accusers are? It doesn't doc03 Nov 2017 #107

Not true. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #49

I do not know the public trial standards of evidence. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #61

There are no actual standards for a public trial. LisaL Nov 2017 #72

Well, apply Moore and Trump to our side. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #73

You didnt need to, because several Moore accusers declared publicly spooky3 Nov 2017 #138

The sixth amendment applies leftynyc Nov 2017 #159

Actually, you're not. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #252

I don't believe it for even a minute...anonymous righties. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #80

Who sing in a feminist choir? A 21 year old WOC who told a reporter of the piece at the time? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #83

What kind of choir is she singing in now 10 years later is more relevant. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #95

Thank you...anonymous for a reason...righties. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #115

Indeed! ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #122

Sound like bullshit to me...and 'he stared at the chest' stuff is junior high. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #264

It is simple for me, if Franken says he did it, he did it. If he says no, then no it is. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #257

If legit I can't blame them for not revealing their identity madville Nov 2017 #22

In this climate I don't Brainstormy Nov 2017 #38

You want to put your butt on the line and ruin the reputation of a public figure then say so Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #51

Why didn't he just say I never grabbed a women's ass? njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #103

Because Dems are concerned that women are dismissed as spooky3 Nov 2017 #142

Any women alive could make that claim anonymously even if she never was doc03 Nov 2017 #104

Exactly right or if they are being paid as well. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #86

That's bad. Very disappointing. Vinca Nov 2017 #3

It should all be part of the investigation JI7 Nov 2017 #5

There isn't going to be one. My prediction. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #11

Nothing good will come of this. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #7

So democrats pay the price. LisaL Nov 2017 #10

We probably will. nycbos Nov 2017 #19

We will be better. LisaL Nov 2017 #37

How can we as Democrats claim to be advocates for woman... nycbos Nov 2017 #94

How can we take anything back if we are going to demand people resign LisaL Nov 2017 #105

Lisa, Blue_true Nov 2017 #109

And in 2018, that person would have to run for re-election. LisaL Nov 2017 #128

With in inside track advantage. If Franken stays, we lose that advantage. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #133

Governor Dayton is up for election in 2018 FBaggins Nov 2017 #236

And then one more vote for their ruinous tax plan. alarimer Nov 2017 #131

And we can bask in our moral superiority while the GOP controls the government. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #91

How can we claim to advocates to women if we tolerate sexual harassment. nycbos Nov 2017 #96

Depends on what you mean by "tolerate." The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #102

👏🏾. + a zillion. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2017 #153

Couldn't agree MORE with you on your comment. LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #163

First-- I don't think he should resign... dawg day Nov 2017 #249

OH yeah thatll do the trick BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #154

Yes, if Moore wins, think of the 2018 and 2020 campaign ads!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #237

That's the way is usually works these days, TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #25

I don't care... FarPoint Nov 2017 #9

If it was your daughters butt you would care BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #15

Not the issue... FarPoint Nov 2017 #29

For Roy Moore and Donald Trump too ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #35

Both of them will stay on their mark. FarPoint Nov 2017 #42

Fair enough ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #52

What we believe or don't believe isn't changing anything. LisaL Nov 2017 #119

Moore is entitled to represent his constituency if he wins. Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #137

He/she True Dough Nov 2017 #30

I don't believe any of it...and anonymous...sorry that is bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #78

I would say:take your hand off my butt. delisen Nov 2017 #79

Awesome BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #82

Actually my intent would be to help him delisen Nov 2017 #100

If it was *my own* butt I'd be annoyed and creeped out, but The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #92

Right highmindedhavi Nov 2017 #136

If we start talking about the political identity of the accuser... nycbos Nov 2017 #12

I agree. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #17

anonymoust accusations have no value or credibility nt msongs Nov 2017 #20

If an anonymous accuser said that a Republican Senator assaulted her... nycbos Nov 2017 #24

We might believe her, but Republicans would still vote for him. LisaL Nov 2017 #31

If I'm going to accuse someone of something that can affect blueinredohio Nov 2017 #40

"The balls?" Wow. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #75

If it was butt fondling 10 years ago and you say so anonymously, no, that is not credible Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #45

I do not accept anonymous accusers of anything, and not during a heated political atmosphere. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #23

I totally agree. FarPoint Nov 2017 #44

Ive said that over and over and been attacked for it Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #231

Im still in his corner. Eom BootinUp Nov 2017 #14

Anonymous accusers...of butt fondling...because they are incapable of ignoring online chatter Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #26

I also factor in my observations of his BootinUp Nov 2017 #33

Me too. nt greyl Nov 2017 #90

again i'll bluestarone Nov 2017 #16

I'm with you. I'll wait for the investigation. It's too easy to say and anonymous accuser said... brush Nov 2017 #43

Shit. Just shit. trof Nov 2017 #18

Each woman spoke about different standards then delisen Nov 2017 #27

I don't think there will be one. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #32

Why do you think there won't be one? delisen Nov 2017 #60

One, two, three, four...time to show Franken the door. 4139 Nov 2017 #28

I was prepared for this from accuser #1 True Dough Nov 2017 #41

Iceberg effect on some behavior. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #53

Yes, he never denied it. pintobean Nov 2017 #106

There are a number of problems here. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #221

Let's add to that list of problems True Dough Nov 2017 #242

This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Nov 2017 #46

Anon accusers? Fuck that shit. This is nothing more than a witchhunt Ferrets are Cool Nov 2017 #47

Let this be a lesson to all men. saidsimplesimon Nov 2017 #50

Franken called for an ethics investigation. Let's hope this puts us closer to that, or he will be... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #54

Al knows if he has been groping women BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #108

Politics is rough u may have to suffer BootinUp Nov 2017 #113

U r so wise BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #121

I will believe the accusations of a Democrat or a progressive on this, but DAMIT, I want them still_one Nov 2017 #55

Roth corroborated it. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #58

Who? What? BootinUp Nov 2017 #63

1 of the reporters on the story corroborated that 1 of the accusers told him at the time. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #69

Dont know him from Adam. Nt BootinUp Nov 2017 #74

He has no credibility with me....the accusers come forward or he shuts up and so do they...ten years Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #117

If you say so? Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #64

I can't make you read the article. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #65

People can read the article, but may not NOTICE that Roth is one of the authors. You need to point still_one Nov 2017 #68

Ah. I see. Thank you. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #71

I just saw that Roth is one of the contributors to the HuffintonPost article. still_one Nov 2017 #66

But anonymous accusations? LisaL Nov 2017 #70

I don't like that either. If they are Democrats or liberals as they maintain, with all the still_one Nov 2017 #77

This isn't some right-wing clickbait crap madville Nov 2017 #81

I never said they were right wing. I do think they should come out, and forget about the still_one Nov 2017 #93

Sorry I didn't phrase it right madville Nov 2017 #99

Roth is a progressive journalist, and that definitely gives credibility to the incident. Franken is still_one Nov 2017 #110

No it doesn't...the accusers come forward or they don't...why should I believe Roth who maybe has Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #118

Intellecually I agree with you, but that is going to be up to the accusers, and if they don't come still_one Nov 2017 #139

Well he shouldn't resign ...because giving the GOP a win on this will make them double Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #177

We are essentially on the same page Demsrule86, and in my view that is regardless of whether the still_one Nov 2017 #213

I agree...and the accusations are nothing...I can't even believe anyone would take them Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #266

Damn it.......was just thinking its been two days since the last woman came forward...... a kennedy Nov 2017 #56

A big who cares... I would not allow the Gop to lead me around by the nose. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #84

and seriously, how many women can they pay off to keep saying this stuff??? a kennedy Nov 2017 #155

They have lots of money and will stop at nothing to retain power. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #176

Oh fuck! potone Nov 2017 #88

This makes me so sad and so disappointed. MerryBlooms Nov 2017 #97

Why do people feel that they have a right to touch or say inappropriate stuff to Blue_true Nov 2017 #101

I think of them pretend the person isn't unwilling. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #111

Could be. Still Franken is always going to be a special case. ucrdem Nov 2017 #116

You suggested following someone into the bathroom? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #120

That sounds like it was meant to be a joke. ucrdem Nov 2017 #123

Read the article more carefully. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #125

Will do. ucrdem Nov 2017 #127

I noticed that "both women have been telling them privately for years." ucrdem Nov 2017 #141

Two things might be true at the same time: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #168

It sounds like somebody searched FB for scandal on Franken ucrdem Nov 2017 #207

Except that the reporter is stating the 4th accuser told him about the incident long ago. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #208

Sounds like a pro with a rolodex. And Huffpo is not exactly the gold standard of journalism. ucrdem Nov 2017 #210

Be gentle with him. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #216

LOL. ucrdem Nov 2017 #217

Yes, at this stage, you have to laugh, don't you! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #218

Please take your own advice. He denied saying that. spooky3 Nov 2017 #158

Well, yeah. I don't expect someone to own up to such behavior. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #166

Especially if he didnt do it. spooky3 Nov 2017 #170

I think Franken is toast Raine Nov 2017 #114

If we do this than we are stupid...the GOP will keep coming...if they see we hit back hard and Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #124

That's what I am thinking. LisaL Nov 2017 #129

No one will be safe...and the GOP can't be brought down with accusations of pedophilia so how is Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #178

Anonymous liars alarimer Nov 2017 #126

If he resigns riverwalker Nov 2017 #130

I guess it will have to be someone who doesn't dare trip up Jeff Sessions RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #134

Franken: "I can categorically say that I did not proposition anyone to join me in any bathroom." moriah Nov 2017 #132

Well a Vermont person can't vote in Minnesota. So your opinion doesn't count for much. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #135

My posts on Trump and Moore are easily accessible. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #140

Funny, "VermontKevin Trump resign" should bring up one of those easily accessible posts Thor_MN Nov 2017 #145

Oh lordy, why would you think I voted for Trump? I voted HRC, primary and general. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #147

I didn't say you did, but I assume, if you are a US citizen, that you are old enough to have voted Thor_MN Nov 2017 #148

Thank you. cwydro Nov 2017 #240

The "easily accessible" posts are non-existent... Thor_MN Nov 2017 #244

I am going to suggest a very thoughtful article to you: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #248

Wasn't talking to you. Your opinions are have no bearing on Franken's office. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #253

I searched too. cwydro Nov 2017 #256

Here's a bombshell for you: Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #150

Thor just dropped a VIKING hammer ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #143

Bang! Zoom! Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #149

Its interesting.... Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #160

With currents events, Thor_MN Nov 2017 #211

These "Scandals" sourced/fueled by Kremlin / alt-right american_ideals Nov 2017 #144

THEY are among us. Reading through this thread makes it clear. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #156

No shit right?? Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #161

While we run around worrying about this liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #152

Such utter unprovable tripe from anonymous accusers. Can't OnDoutside Nov 2017 #162

Jeremy Piven runtel Nov 2017 #167

He could sue Huffpo. We will have to see what happens. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #169

Why are you so determined to argue with anyone spooky3 Nov 2017 #171

Not believing this round of accusers indicates textbook actual malice at play: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #173

Believing this round of accusers without evidence indicates textbook actual malice at play. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #220

The point of my post went over your head. If Franken knows this story to be false, he's got a VermontKevin Nov 2017 #243

You seem very, VERY keen to tie Franken up in knots for the foreseeable future. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #247

You never answered my question upthread. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #250

Dude. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #251

You keep replying to my posts. And I don't owe you any answers. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #255

You keep replying to mine. You keep asking questions. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #258

A cat can look at a king. You are free to do as you wish. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #260

Now, that's weak. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #261

A butt grab? An invite to a bathroom? underthematrix Nov 2017 #179

It was a butt pat riverwalker Nov 2017 #181

I agree about the severity of the offense. The pattern is more troubling. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #189

You seem to have it in for Franken. cwydro Nov 2017 #182

You forgot 'annonymous'....and probably will eventually need to add ...the term 'not Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #183

I refer you to this: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #185

Nice apple and oranges...but those anonymous sources were eventually corroborated... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #197

And this is corroborated. Your theory rests on the assertion that this guy is lying: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #201

That's not "corroboration", no matter how often you post it. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #203

I'm applying Occam's Razor to this: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #205

I'd put that razor down. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #215

It has not been corroborated...and I would be careful if I were you about attacking a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #268

Heres my problem with all of this... TCJ70 Nov 2017 #188

I agree. But in this case, the reporter himself would have to be outright lying, as one of the VermontKevin Nov 2017 #190

OK. Every time an anonymous person alleges Franken touched their butt, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #222

Well, show me where Franken denied the butt touching. As another poster pointed out, VermontKevin Nov 2017 #225

See my post you replied to. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #227

Again, can you quote Franken where he denied the physical contact? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #232

Why do I need to? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #245

"Its also a little odd to me that Franken apparently waits for a photos to do something. bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #209

Seriously, what better way to hide your... TCJ70 Nov 2017 #219

The man's an evil genius! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #224

First Trump resigns... then we talk about this. Not before. (n/t) FreepFryer Nov 2017 #191

Well, I think we can multitask. There's no reason justice should depend on Trump, is there? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #192

Multitask but triage. Trump is first, then Franken. FreepFryer Nov 2017 #193

Well, I don't agree. The Senate investigation will proceed. But in the meantime, the Senator VermontKevin Nov 2017 #195

Great. For Americans, these are more important: North Korea, Russiagate, Cultivated Racism FreepFryer Nov 2017 #199

There will be an investigation. aintitfunny Nov 2017 #214

I remember what the (GOP) did to John Kerry a Purple Heart veteran katmondoo Nov 2017 #234

That does it. No more defenses of Sen Franken from me. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #235

Steve, you are on Twitter. Some audio was released last night. I won't link it. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #238

Too disappointed to even look into this further. On a brighter note, I am in Vermont for stevenleser Nov 2017 #239

Oh, we already went South for the winter. I feel the cold too much in my bones. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Nov 2017 #269

This is a Republican hit job ollie10 Nov 2017 #259

Guess we need Priests as candidates to ensure no impropriety . . . . Oh wait, that won't work. Hoyt Nov 2017 #262

No one should resign until the head OhZone Nov 2017 #263

Well I suggest that you suggest that Groper Don the Con resign first malaise Nov 2017 #267