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In reply to the discussion: The .223 A Very Deadly Bullet [View all]belcffub
(595 posts)6. Some good science and math on the issue
from the Ammo Oracle
The importance of rate of twist in wounding is a frequent subject of what we politely call "ballistic myth." Any projectile that has a "center of pressure" forward of the center of gravity will tend to tumble. You can illustrate this to yourself by trying to balance a pencil on your fingertip. Spin, given to the projectile by barrel twist, puts a projectile into a state described as "gyroscopically stable." The projectile might be momentarily disturbed but will return to nose-forward flight quickly. To describe how stable a given projectile is we use the gyroscopic stability factor (Sg). Generally you want a factor of 1.3 or greater for rifle rounds. 1.5-2.0 is a generally accepted value for 5.56 rounds.
For M193 the following variables apply:
axial moment of inertia (A) = 11.82 gm/mm2
transverse moment of inertia (B) = 77.45 gm/mm2
mass (m) = 3.53 grams
reference diameter (d) = 5.69 mm
Using the gyroscopic stability formula: Sg = A2 p2 / (4 B Ma) and assuming sea level we use an air density of 1.2250 kg/m^3 and discover that this this projectile will need on the order of 236,000 rpm for good stability (Sg > 1.3).
At 3200 fps M193 is typically spun up to more like 256,000 (1 : 9" twist) to 330,000 rpm (1 : 7"so that Sg approaches 1.9 or 2.0. 1 : 12" rifles will spin rounds at around 192,000 rpm and 1:14" rifles around 165,000 rpm. You can see why 1 : 14" rifles might have had trouble stabilizing M193 rounds.
Clever math types will see that density of the medium traversed (air in this case) has a dramatic effect on the spin required to maintain the Sg (density being in the first term's divisor). This is why cold conditions tend to dip "barely stable" rounds below the stability threshold. Without doing too much calculus it will be seen that an increase of three orders of magnitude (1000) in this variable will be a dramatic one for spin requirements. To balance things spin must be increased to compensate.
Through human flesh (which varies from 980 - 1100 kg/m^3 or about 1000 times the density of air) something on the order of 95,000,000 - 100,000,000 rpm is required to stabilize a projectile at speed. Given these differences it will be seen that the difference between a 1 : 12 or 1 : 14" twist when it hits flesh and a projectile launched from a 1 : 9 or 1 : 7" weapon is so small as to be beyond measuring. But the game isn't over yet.
Gyroscopic stability of 2.0 or so is sufficient for a M193 projectile to recover from an upset quickly, return to nose-forward flight and not be over stabilized. To prevent the upset in the first place, particularly when a sudden and very extreme change in density (and therefore drag and pressure applied to the center of pressure) requires FAR more stability. To grant enough stability force to prevent the upset of a M193 projectile encountering a sudden 1000 fold increase in density a factor of as much as 10 to 50 times (speaking VERY conservatively) the required gyroscopic stability for a steady state flight through a medium of that density would be required. In other words, unless the projectile is spinning at nearly a BILLION rpm it is going to be upset by such a transition. Even at this rpm it is like to be upset somewhat.
In summary, and to take the most extreme case, a M193 projectile spinning at 350,000 rpm (from a 1 : 7" rifle) is going to upset in flesh (yaw) exactly as fast as one spinning at 150,000 rpm (from a 1:14" rifle).
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Sorry, but the 30-30 is the MOST COMMON deer rifle in Wisconsin (600,000 hunters annually)...
Scuba
Jul 2012
#51
My 30-30 is just fine in Iowa too. .223 illegal to use in Iowa for deer min cal is .24 n/t
IADEMO2004
Jul 2012
#114
Oh well, who cares. It's an American's right to have any kind of gun/ammunition that exists.
enough
Jul 2012
#2
No, it's not. In fact a lot of states won't even let you shoot Bambi's mom with it
Edweird
Jul 2012
#3
Coyotes are a huge problem for cattle ranchers as well as killing private live stock and chickens
rl6214
Jul 2012
#16
I would only do it if Fish and Game recommended it due to overpopulation.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#23
Just sayin---the coyotes were here before the cattle, private live stock or chickens
panader0
Jul 2012
#27
Watching a coyote blithly carry off another of my cats makes me ill and makes my blood boil
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#80
Leaving your beloved cats to roam wild and complaining about what happens to them?
Doremus
Jul 2012
#112
Nope. They are inside/outside cats not "roam wild". They eat, drink, sleep, poop inside
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#113
Self deleted as I have no desire to get into a snark fest. Too much bs going on in the world
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#118
Thank you for your concern. Cats eat the mice and rats. Coyotes can get into many enclosures, I have
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#120
Hence why I don't like coyotes. Thank you for your concern but I'm not going to argue with you.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#128
Fact is they went to the smaller caliber to get away from so much killing power.
A Simple Game
Jul 2012
#35
That's why most states will not allow the .223 for deer hunting, a larger caliber is required
rl6214
Jul 2012
#15
Ballistically, the .223 is almost identical to the .222 Mag. It's a dressed-up varmint rifle.
Jackpine Radical
Jul 2012
#30
AK-47s also were also tremendously reliable. They rarely jammed, compared to M-16s.
Selatius
Jul 2012
#44
Eliisonz, please use your magic powers to send this thread to the Gungeon. It's unbearable in GD now
freshwest
Jul 2012
#107
You forgot "The bullet finds a vein and travels up it to the victim's heart"
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#58
a military round of that caliber has a high powder load and goes right through people.
dionysus
Jul 2012
#68