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loyalsister

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97. It's possible

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 04:54 AM

Nov 2017

Getting lost in partisanship and conspiracy theories is not helpful. The real story is that sexual harassment, in the form of groping has been so pervasive and as widely accepted as cat calling that decent people have done it.

The Weinstein scandal opened a can of worms that was bound to reveal sexist behavior among Democrats because it is a systemic problem, and a man problem. Powerful men have collectively maintained an arrangement that has protected and enabled varying degrees of sexual predation. Women like the Alabama gov. have also played a role.

We live in a culture that has been comfortable with that patriarchal arrangement. So much so that it has not been discussed until recently. Many women and some men are finally seeing that those humiliating moments should not have happened. It was never okay, but it was accepted as a fact of life. Turning the aggressors into victims serves to give cover to the next guy who gets caught.

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So we are to believe Al Franken is a serial groper who likes to grope while being photographed [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 OP

He called out Sessions JI7 Nov 2017 #1

Franken posed for the picture with a smile on his face and his hands cupping air... dubyadiprecession Nov 2017 #101

A serial groper who never groped women in his power Exultant Democracy Nov 2017 #2

Yep. I was going to add. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #8

If Roger Stone is in even the remotest way involved, then it is DEFINITELY ratfucking. calimary Nov 2017 #54

Well then he's a savant Historic NY Nov 2017 #107

Also how the latest 2 seemed to try too hard to mention they are liberals JI7 Nov 2017 #3

Easy in an anonymous way to pretend you are liberal ollie10 Nov 2017 #28

And voted for him anyway. kcr Nov 2017 #82

yeah, it has all the words like woc, privilege, "feminist choir" etc. JI7 Nov 2017 #94

Yep. It's how they think we talk. kcr Nov 2017 #95

I know, that took it from obvious ploy to preposterous ploy. n/t Beartracks Nov 2017 #93

The answer to your question: No. Period. fierywoman Nov 2017 #4

Were supposed to believe the reporter Nevernose Nov 2017 #5

No. This stinks of a right wing setup and the "victims" are shady as all hell. LBM20 Nov 2017 #6

This is a first. I at least wish I could agree with you. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #7

You'll come around eventually. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #11

Id rather care about women. YMMV nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #12

I care about the truth. ymDv. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #13

That has never been the case. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #67

You weren't too worried about women a few days ago, were you? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #61

Yeah melman Nov 2017 #63

Fair weather friends, huh? n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #64

Indeed n/t kcr Nov 2017 #77

Sure I was. As I noted on another thread, there were a lot of red flags in that situation stevenleser Nov 2017 #66

Yeah, yeah, sure. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #69

And I stand by them. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #71

What, all 10,000,000 of them?! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #73

Ill claim exactly the way I feel. You worry about how you feel. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #74

That's fine. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #75

Really? I guess you missed this at Daily KOS and I pulled up the comment on twitter. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #105

But anonymous accusers are more credible? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #104

Of all people, I did not expect you to be one to cave into this RW bullshit. cwydro Nov 2017 #18

I would rather believe something different. If you have evidence of a conspiracy to stevenleser Nov 2017 #68

Wait. What? kcr Nov 2017 #23

See my #68 above. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #70

That didn't clarify a thing, but okay n/t kcr Nov 2017 #76

OK, tell me what you want me to explain. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #78

I've read this thread. kcr Nov 2017 #80

I havent changed. Some folks want to interpret it that way. stevenleser Nov 2017 #81

Well, there is a pattern of sorts. kcr Nov 2017 #83

nameless accusers do not form a "pattern" questionseverything Nov 2017 #100

You have to want to believe this to believe it. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #103

But but--- the Cave says it's true! Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #9

Holy shit did you go there to check? ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #36

Its not really hard to get tapermaker Nov 2017 #10

You are right about the willing pool of false accusers pandr32 Nov 2017 #44

they have been using the same ratfuck technique tapermaker Nov 2017 #92

Looks like Franken is aware and will stay put pandr32 Nov 2017 #106

We're told we have to believe that about other men. Igel Nov 2017 #14

This is also a very effective way shadowmayor Nov 2017 #15

You obviously have someone in mind with that. Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #19

Who's the biggest threat in 2018 from the Democrats? shadowmayor Nov 2017 #21

Who are "lots of people"? brooklynite Nov 2017 #26

Just regular folks shadowmayor Nov 2017 #29

"Just regular folks" don't hang out at blogs and discuss politics... brooklynite Nov 2017 #39

Us and them shadowmayor Nov 2017 #45

Me, for one and my poker game. We liked Franken for VP... bettyellen Nov 2017 #72

I would love to see him President. blue cat Nov 2017 #88

I never thought Al was really a likely 2020 candidate anyway, and I think this more an effort to OnDoutside Nov 2017 #27

2020 shadowmayor Nov 2017 #30

No worries, I knew what you meant. If it was a RW hit job (and I believe it is), it's worked. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #41

We Dems always eat our own.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #55

We assume that a woman would not lie about such a thing. Turbineguy Nov 2017 #16

Yup. cwydro Nov 2017 #17

I'll go so far as to say I believe Ms. Tweeden is a fucking liar. Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #20

Knee jerk stupidity Dream Girl Nov 2017 #22

nope... dhill926 Nov 2017 #24

As soon as he comes up with a stronger defense than "I can't remember" brooklynite Nov 2017 #25

What if nothing happened? How could he remember a negative? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #31

I can authoritatively state that I have never groped or harrassed a woman... brooklynite Nov 2017 #33

You didn't mention groping men - is that proof you did? bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #35

That hasn't come up as a current issue, but, no, I haven't. brooklynite Nov 2017 #37

see my payphone addendum/... bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #38

And if it didn't happen? How is it that he could remember? chowder66 Nov 2017 #49

I'm getting lost on the Franken allegations... lame54 Nov 2017 #32

You want proof he is innocent? ollie10 Nov 2017 #57

I want proof THEY are lying... lame54 Nov 2017 #59

Open your eyes.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #85

So far, for evidence that he's a groper,... BlueStater Nov 2017 #34

You are weak Comrade - sometimes you have to break eggs to make an omlette - bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #40

The photograph proves he was a thoughtless idiot. Same for the photographer..... USALiberal Nov 2017 #43

That's not the photo I'm referring to. BlueStater Nov 2017 #86

Thank you DU! I knew you were too smart to McCamy Taylor Nov 2017 #42

This is more a Cernovich / Bannon hit job. Initech Nov 2017 #46

Here is a graphic. This was coordinated. MelissaB Nov 2017 #51

You're assuming DU isn't inundated with right wing trolls tenderfoot Nov 2017 #65

yes, the 2 men on this board preaching burn franken at the stake questionseverything Nov 2017 #98

I know quite a few people with deep pockets. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #102

Just sayin. -je Nov 2017 #47

"The family that f*cks each other over", how does the rest of it go? bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #52

Because they need a yuge tax cut RainCaster Nov 2017 #48

It's still an effective hit job. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2017 #50

The best defense, and WOW do they need one, is an offense. Just ask Roger Stone. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #53

It's a win-win for the Republican ratfuckers no matter the reality of the situation. Efilroft Sul Nov 2017 #56

They weren't going to go down without a fight. LisaL Nov 2017 #58

And we see plenty of eager facilitators right here on DU Orrex Nov 2017 #60

This is all emanating from that asshole....... wolfie001 Nov 2017 #62

Never did believe it for one minute Ferrets are Cool Nov 2017 #79

All I know is if someone grabbed my ass while taking a picture it wouldn't be a big blueinredohio Nov 2017 #84

HuffPo's coverage has been "Get Al' from Day One Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2017 #87

The attempt to make Arianna Huffington a victim dflprincess Nov 2017 #89

Bingo!! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #91

Well, we ARE to believe that Al Franken apologized for his behavior... brooklynite Nov 2017 #90

i think the "victims" who refused to be named aren't telling the truth trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #96

It's possible loyalsister Nov 2017 #97

That does seem insane. alarimer Nov 2017 #99