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Hassin Bin Sober

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21. I don't know if I am as confident there is any settled law saying Trump can't pardon...

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:45 PM

Nov 2017

... Kushner et al.

The Constitution says The President can't pardon in matters of impeachment. An indictment is not an impeachment.

The way I read it, and I'm by no means any legal scholar, The President can't pardon himself of the impeachment.

There is nothing in The Constitution saying he can't pardon people that might testify against him or lead to his impeachment. I think, at a minimum, the impeachment limit on the powers only kicks in when there is an actual impeachment. Otherwise, any pardoning of high level officials would be subject to limits -- and we have never seen that happen. See: Daddy Bush pardoned everyone who could have placed him "in the loop" on Iran-Contra where we all know he was.

His powers of pardon are pretty much absolute for federal crimes. The only remedy is after the deeds are done. See: repiglicker congress. Or prior to the deeds if we had anything resembling a responsible Congress.

Or if it goes to The Supreme Court. See: repiglicker majority and politicians in robes.

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