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Jackpine Radical

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30. Ballistically, the .223 is almost identical to the .222 Mag. It's a dressed-up varmint rifle.

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:52 PM

Jul 2012

The advantage, besides the light recoil (which makes it more suitable for auto fire), is that the ammo is much lighter than the 7.62 Nato round (known as the .308 in civilian use). The bullet is a dinky little 43 grains iirc, as opposed to 150 grains for the 7.62 military load.

A lot of GI's believed this myth about hitting someone in the finger & blowing his arm off. Not true. It's just a .22 bullet with a muzzle velocity of about 3200 fps. Compare that to, say, the .220 Swift, which fires that same bullet at about 3800 fps muzzle.

The .308 fires its 150-grain bullet at about 2700 fps at the muzzle by way of comparison. A .30-30 fires that .30-cal 150 gr. bullet at about 1900 fps, iirc.

For deer, gimme a .30-06 or .308 any day.

All figures are from memory & only as accurate as my incipient dementia will permit.

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The .223 A Very Deadly Bullet [View all] TheMastersNemesis Jul 2012 OP

So the excuse of hunting would be bogus SoutherDem Jul 2012 #1

For deer-hunting, you do need a high-powered, lethal bullet. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #5

The 7.62*39 works well too ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #8

Makes sense I guess, I am not a hunter so I don't know, SoutherDem Jul 2012 #9

Some Idaho deer hunters use the .223 jmowreader Jul 2012 #17

The .223 works nice for ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #25

deer hunters dont commonly use a 30.30 backwoodsbob Jul 2012 #42

Sorry, but the 30-30 is the MOST COMMON deer rifle in Wisconsin (600,000 hunters annually)... Scuba Jul 2012 #51

My 30-30 is just fine in Iowa too. .223 illegal to use in Iowa for deer min cal is .24 n/t IADEMO2004 Jul 2012 #114

How odd that there is such a thing as bow hunting. nt cwydro Jul 2012 #124

Spitting out bullet fragments at the dinner table is part of the meal. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #20

I don't know any hunters who use 100 round clips. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #134

Oh well, who cares. It's an American's right to have any kind of gun/ammunition that exists. enough Jul 2012 #2

No, it's not. In fact a lot of states won't even let you shoot Bambi's mom with it Edweird Jul 2012 #3

I've killed lot's of turkey and a few deer with the 223. ileus Jul 2012 #4

Do you eat the coyote? panader0 Jul 2012 #11

Coyotes are a huge problem for cattle ranchers as well as killing private live stock and chickens rl6214 Jul 2012 #16

I would only do it if Fish and Game recommended it due to overpopulation. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #23

Just sayin---the coyotes were here before the cattle, private live stock or chickens panader0 Jul 2012 #27

Ah yes, those poor, poor cattle ranchers. Doremus Jul 2012 #28

Are you a vegan? rl6214 Jul 2012 #41

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This message was self-deleted by its author rl6214 Jul 2012 #63

I don't think I was talking to you rl6214 Jul 2012 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jul 2012 #72

What is a gun nut? sav99 Jul 2012 #75

There are gun owners and gun nuts. LastDemocratInSC Jul 2012 #83

Thats interesting. Thanks for answering. sav99 Jul 2012 #92

Why, yes I am, thanks for asking. Doremus Jul 2012 #73

Watching a coyote blithly carry off another of my cats makes me ill and makes my blood boil uppityperson Jul 2012 #80

Leaving your beloved cats to roam wild and complaining about what happens to them? Doremus Jul 2012 #112

Nope. They are inside/outside cats not "roam wild". They eat, drink, sleep, poop inside uppityperson Jul 2012 #113

If your cats are able to wander freely outdoors, Doremus Jul 2012 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jul 2012 #117

Self deleted as I have no desire to get into a snark fest. Too much bs going on in the world uppityperson Jul 2012 #118

your cats shouldn't be outside tru Jul 2012 #119

Thank you for your concern. Cats eat the mice and rats. Coyotes can get into many enclosures, I have uppityperson Jul 2012 #120

So which is it? Doremus Jul 2012 #127

Hence why I don't like coyotes. Thank you for your concern but I'm not going to argue with you. uppityperson Jul 2012 #128

I think you're not going to argue because you don't have one. Doremus Jul 2012 #130

Thank you for replying respectfully rl6214 Jul 2012 #123

It ain't just cattle ranchers that have problems. JoeyT Jul 2012 #50

I give you props for trying. Doremus Jul 2012 #74

Fortunately it worked. JoeyT Jul 2012 #126

Because they kill livestocks and pets obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #52

coyote attacks on humans are rare handmade34 Jul 2012 #76

The coyotes in the East are very inbred with feral dogs obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #78

coydogs handmade34 Jul 2012 #84

Yup, they are aggressive here obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #96

Coyotes killed one of my calves.. proudgunowner Jul 2012 #115

We used to have sheep tularetom Jul 2012 #54

Coyotes are very aggressive here in Colorado Springs Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #122

Some good science and math on the issue belcffub Jul 2012 #6

Utter nonsense ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #7

Kind of wondering about that claim myself.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #10

Me too, unless it was in the head obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #59

+1 Marinedem Jul 2012 #12

Fact is they went to the smaller caliber to get away from so much killing power. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #35

I think it had more to do with logistics. bluedigger Jul 2012 #37

Ridiculous post. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #13

i doubt that fellow was in nam... for some reason.... dionysus Jul 2012 #69

I don't belive you Ptah Jul 2012 #14

That's why most states will not allow the .223 for deer hunting, a larger caliber is required rl6214 Jul 2012 #15

The .223 is designed to be light, inexpensive and easy to train on jmowreader Jul 2012 #18

Used both the M-14 and M-16 The Wizard Jul 2012 #26

They dropped it to a .223 Go Vols Jul 2012 #19

Where did you come up with this line of nonsense? Drahthaardogs Jul 2012 #21

It is also not considered a defensive round obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #60

lol JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #22

I was just talking to an active duty guy.. glowing Jul 2012 #24

First off... the rifle and the ammunition are two different things krispos42 Jul 2012 #29

Ballistically, the .223 is almost identical to the .222 Mag. It's a dressed-up varmint rifle. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #30

For deer, gimme a .30-06 or .308 any day. SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #82

Theyre all deadly. rrneck Jul 2012 #31

"The .223 ... acts like a dud ..." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #32

Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with a "whimpy" 9mm and .22LR Kennah Jul 2012 #33

Oh Jeez... Serve The Servants Jul 2012 #34

I was wondering how he financed everything, myself. bluedigger Jul 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #36

OMG Get out of Here with your BS EpsilonZer0 Jul 2012 #38

AK-47s also were also tremendously reliable. They rarely jammed, compared to M-16s. Selatius Jul 2012 #44

Tremendously reliable, and dead simple lapislzi Jul 2012 #135

glad im not the only one CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #49

Interesting Comments TheMastersNemesis Jul 2012 #40

Do you understand that most posters here are saying you're full of shit? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #125

I dunno where you got your ballistics info, cliffordu Jul 2012 #43

He pulled his entire OP out of a place where the Sun never shines slackmaster Jul 2012 #61

WTF are you talking about?? CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #46

Oh look - the OP made this poster screaming angry. ellisonz Jul 2012 #48

Sadly, what he's screaming is right. JoeyT Jul 2012 #55

This isn't AR-15.com... ellisonz Jul 2012 #64

No, there's a different kind of ignorance. JoeyT Jul 2012 #66

He's not interested in facts. Clames Jul 2012 #111

because the OP was lying his face off. dionysus Jul 2012 #70

Eliisonz, please use your magic powers to send this thread to the Gungeon. It's unbearable in GD now freshwest Jul 2012 #107

the myth warrprayer Jul 2012 #53

The boattail on a bullet is to lessen the vacuum area it oneshooter Jul 2012 #98

??? warrprayer Jul 2012 #129

Read this RegieRocker Jul 2012 #102

I can't warrprayer Jul 2012 #133

It works RegieRocker Jul 2012 #136

If I am ever shot, please let it be with a .22 or .223 obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #56

This person knows what they are talking about RegieRocker Jul 2012 #57

LOL. A predictably fact-free post. More fairy tales. Edweird Jul 2012 #65

Got ya! RegieRocker Jul 2012 #67

LULZ. You made the bullshit claim - you substantiate it. Edweird Jul 2012 #71

It will go right through this one: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #77

"It's an 88 magnum. It shoots through schools." Edweird Jul 2012 #81

You made the bullshit claim RegieRocker Jul 2012 #85

33% F Edweird Jul 2012 #90

No RegieRocker Jul 2012 #95

This Edweird Jul 2012 #100

Nope RegieRocker Jul 2012 #104

That means nothing. Edweird Jul 2012 #106

Another over the top waaayyyy out there RegieRocker Jul 2012 #138

This Edweird Jul 2012 #101

Try and get a permit and if you can get one RegieRocker Jul 2012 #105

People have them. You know it. Edweird Jul 2012 #108

This Edweird Jul 2012 #103

Uh huh...sure RegieRocker Jul 2012 #139

You forgot "The bullet finds a vein and travels up it to the victim's heart" slackmaster Jul 2012 #58

a military round of that caliber has a high powder load and goes right through people. dionysus Jul 2012 #68

As with the OP I saw this RegieRocker Jul 2012 #88

This OP proves the poster knows absolutely nothing about firearms. nt GarroHorus Jul 2012 #79

That would be you and that is plain to all who do. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #86

Are you honestly suggesting the OP was correct about the .223? GarroHorus Jul 2012 #87

Most of it. The parts that matter. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #89

HE was 100% inaccurate about that round nt GarroHorus Jul 2012 #91

Wrong on several items. oneshooter Jul 2012 #93

That was back then. Then was then RegieRocker Jul 2012 #97

Looks to me like oneshooter was referring to "back then", the same time period as the OP... Marengo Jul 2012 #132

Were you ready for immediate action? RegieRocker Jul 2012 #137

No, the 223 round is a high velocity round. pwb Jul 2012 #94

Read this and scroll down RegieRocker Jul 2012 #99

Ever here of a ricochet? pwb Jul 2012 #110

This 24 year old medical student did NOT act alone... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #109

Yeah, this is a myth Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #121

Hate to rain on the parade Rex Jul 2012 #131

Locking SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #140