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250. Context...

Sun Nov 26, 2017, 04:21 PM

Nov 2017

Many would think cynically of a politician who, after failing in every and any attempt to use one party to further his personal ambitions, suddenly declared himself a member of the opposition party so that he could use it in like manner, all the while trying to foist the move off as some sort of altruistic strategy. It is reasonable to mistrust the motives, sincerity, and integrity of such people.

Cynical can also describe those who are concerned only with their own interests and who typically disregard accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.

When such a person also "exploits circumstances to gain immediate advantage rather than being guided by consistent principles or plans", it is perfectly reasonable to describe him as a "cynical opportunist".

Cynical opportunist/Republican Sam Ronan is the embodiment of the definition.

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Is Our Revolution trying to unseat Al Franken? [View all] yardwork Nov 2017 OP

These people are not our friends. Do not trust them. moda253 Nov 2017 #1

I don't trust them at all. That's why I'm asking. yardwork Nov 2017 #3

From whom was the email? jberryhill Nov 2017 #5

An old friend. yardwork Nov 2017 #9

Check this out: yardwork Nov 2017 #69

That is a different group seems like JonLP24 Nov 2017 #87

It's a very closely affiliated group with the same stated goals. yardwork Nov 2017 #96

Its NOT at the same group. This is painting with much too broad a brush. hedda_foil Nov 2017 #165

Joe Biden survived plagiarism; David Vitter survived being diapered by prostitutes; Demit Nov 2017 #123

We'll have to wait and see JonLP24 Nov 2017 #133

Sexual battery?? Demit Nov 2017 #139

Unwanted touching of private areas JonLP24 Nov 2017 #141

Sexual battery is a legal term. Demit Nov 2017 #160

Under Minnesota law, ass-grabbing isn't sexual battery. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #162

Lol, zactly. Demit Nov 2017 #167

Yes I understand the term JonLP24 Nov 2017 #168

Franken did not grab Tweeden. She exaggerated. The photo shows that. Demit Nov 2017 #173

I was talking more about Lindsay Menz JonLP24 Nov 2017 #175

Don't be silenced, Jon True Dough Nov 2017 #178

I appreciate your reasonable reply JonLP24 Nov 2017 #187

Who was talking about the unconscious one on the airplane? You, wasn't it? Demit Nov 2017 #179

I said her accusations were in addition to the booty grabbing JonLP24 Nov 2017 #184

A Republican women who voted for Trump even thought he "grabs them by the pussy" definitely womanofthehills Nov 2017 #224

bottom line ! CountAllVotes Nov 2017 #226

I TOTALLY AGREE! FarPoint Nov 2017 #58

They COULD be our friends if we stopped seeing them as our enemies. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #151

Youre right, our friends, if we do everything they want BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #183

When your "friend" wants it their way 100% of the time moda253 Nov 2017 #196

LOL! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #199

I do not trust this group Gothmog Nov 2017 #212

I unsubscribed to their lists a few weeks ago Tumbulu Nov 2017 #2

Well perhaps you might post the email and let us have a look jberryhill Nov 2017 #4

It's a private email. yardwork Nov 2017 #10

Odd. I am on their email distribution list and I didn't get that email. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #6

No he does not need to step aside. cwydro Nov 2017 #7

How many more women have to come forward before you "believe"? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #8

If someone credible made an accusation, I might believe. cwydro Nov 2017 #12

That's pretty much the gop party line on Trump's accusers. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #16

Track record. tazkcmo Nov 2017 #27

Thank you. cwydro Nov 2017 #30

No need to be curious. They reveal who they are. Its clear. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #185

I think you are exactly right. cwydro Nov 2017 #189

Because the Mods don't do their Fucking job here! moda253 Nov 2017 #197

Well, there are no mods here anymore. cwydro Nov 2017 #198

How many claims of Clinton murders were conservatives Hortensis Nov 2017 #17

Exactly. cwydro Nov 2017 #33

how can you "come forward" if you are anonymous? ollie10 Nov 2017 #32

Unless the seat can be guaranteed to be replaced by a Democrat until 2020, under no circumstances do still_one Nov 2017 #36

I agree with all those points. yardwork Nov 2017 #42

Why would the Democratic governor appoint a republican? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #77

As I understand it, the governor can appoint someone in the interim until a special election can be still_one Nov 2017 #97

well there are of course no guarantees in an election. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #102

No, that seat is up for re-election in 2020, and I do NOT want a special election before that, which still_one Nov 2017 #115

We barely won last time. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #148

I am really tired of those calling for his resignation without consideration for the risk that poses still_one Nov 2017 #171

There is no reason for Franken to resign...and it would be politically stupid to do so... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #253

Absolutely!!! still_one Nov 2017 #254

Ten days have passed since Tweeden's melodramatic revelation. Demit Nov 2017 #137

Only two have come forward - one who has acted similarly to Franken while on the USO tour.... George II Nov 2017 #146

If they are like the ones we have already...unlimited. I will never fall for a right wing bullshit Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #150

I think mostly it's a set up. We will have to wait and see. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #170

The email was not from Our Revolution. yardwork Nov 2017 #11

dept. of totally misleading ops. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #14

The suspicion at least is valid. Let's not forget the anger Hortensis Nov 2017 #21

Exactly why I'm asking here. yardwork Nov 2017 #24

Well, some who call themselves capital-P Progressives are innocently Hortensis Nov 2017 #25

Well said. NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #128

Multiplied by paid Republico-Koch and Russian agents. Hortensis Nov 2017 #136

I would argue it is more to normalize Moore karynnj Nov 2017 #186

Welll, the anti-Democrat left is is disgusted with and rejects Moore, Hortensis Nov 2017 #191

I was speaking of the first accuser for that karynnj Nov 2017 #193

Yes. I was very angry Biden's role in electing Clarence Thomas, Hortensis Nov 2017 #195

I do realize what you said about Clinton karynnj Nov 2017 #208

Exactly. After over 7 years of constant manufactured "scandals" Hortensis Nov 2017 #211

True, but Gore was hurt when GWB ran on bringing honor and decency karynnj Nov 2017 #217

Back to the subject. We have 48 Democrats in the Senate. Hortensis Nov 2017 #218

As Franken himself asked for, there shold be an investigation karynnj Nov 2017 #234

+ 1000 Wwcd Nov 2017 #214

Nonsense. My OP was quite clear. yardwork Nov 2017 #23

Your OP was seemingly saying that the email came from that organization. moriah Nov 2017 #29

Well, I responded immediately to those who asked. yardwork Nov 2017 #34

And that's appreciated, and it seems most get that now. moriah Nov 2017 #38

Actually, you're deflecting from the question, Hortensis Nov 2017 #41

No, because the OP casts suspicion on an entire group jberryhill Nov 2017 #61

Jberry, "Our Revolution" is a formal organization Hortensis Nov 2017 #74

Did you just hear a giant whooshing noise? jberryhill Nov 2017 #79

Deflecting back to the OP is reasonable. Hortensis Nov 2017 #86

Mostly ignoring what conservatives of done? JonLP24 Nov 2017 #107

No, he did and does not. Right now what the Republicans Hortensis Nov 2017 #119

Where would Obama be if Hillary Clinton didn't run against Obama? JonLP24 Nov 2017 #125

He'd be ex- President Obama right now. The notion that Hortensis Nov 2017 #181

Do you really need us to post the many, many YouTube videos Kentonio Nov 2017 #256

:) For all but one year of his time in congress, Bernie was Hortensis Nov 2017 #263

Whereas I (predictably) see it differently Kentonio Nov 2017 #264

That is indeed a different viewpoint. I won't ask you Hortensis Nov 2017 #265

That's ok, you can listen to whatever you like Kentonio Nov 2017 #266

Yeah, unlike figuring out how DU got attached to... moriah Nov 2017 #63

Calling total BS on this: KPN Nov 2017 #144

Call away. Bernie wasn't the least bit hypocritical about Hortensis Nov 2017 #194

Of course its a struggle for power. That happens within any organization. KPN Nov 2017 #204

Regarding that last, what I see as a huge flaw in the Hortensis Nov 2017 #210

Well, I guess a lot of folks disagree with you about KPN Nov 2017 #236

How can an OP asking a question be "misleading"? Can you elaborate? George II Nov 2017 #45

I believe people felt it was misleading... moriah Nov 2017 #68

I dunno ask all the people piling on to "Our Revolution" for something it seems they didn't do. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #81

You're the one who originally called it misleading, now you say "I dunno"? George II Nov 2017 #101

Ate you having a problem finding all the posts attacking Our Revolution for something the didn't do? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #104

Two separate issues: the "attacks" on Our Revolution and you calling the OP misleading. George II Nov 2017 #118

No we will not replace Franken and give the GOP what they want. It will never end...this is Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #159

We need to not be partisan hypocrites on this issue. LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #182

Did you go to the site you linked to and read their message. Control-Z Nov 2017 #233

Yes, I did. yardwork Nov 2017 #238

Has the name of a "viable replacement" been floated? yardwork Nov 2017 #13

There are a lot. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #15

He is invaluable on the Judiciary Committee riverwalker Nov 2017 #19

Well I guess he shouldn't have been such a creep. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #89

Same here JonLP24 Nov 2017 #109

Are you counting Melanie Morgan as the 5th woman? She's another exaggerator. Demit Nov 2017 #149

He took hundreds of pictures...so I don't see a denail would work. Too bad some fall for dirty Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #153

Like this one: yardwork Nov 2017 #70

There is no need for him to step down at this point- but he should consider not running again Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #26

No, you don't cave to bullies...the GOP doesn't get to choose our candidates period. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #161

Of corse they dont get to choose Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #172

We have a better chance with Franken if we support him...and could lose many seats as the GOP ramp Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #239

Ahhhh No!!! FarPoint Nov 2017 #73

Nonsense.... pangaia Nov 2017 #111

Republicans will try their best to unseat as many Ds as possible midterms-they'll use/abuse anything Sunlei Nov 2017 #18

For sure. LisaL Nov 2017 #20

Franken's not going anywhere. His detractors can take a flying leap. nt oasis Nov 2017 #22

This. cwydro Nov 2017 #35

Agreed! pandr32 Nov 2017 #138

Is he considered too progressive? left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #28

You have it wrong but I'd be curious of the motivation of someone who told you that. SharonClark Nov 2017 #219

I thought I read it here on DU? left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #230

Dont believe everything you read at DU emulatorloo Nov 2017 #247

Copy and paste the email GaryCnf Nov 2017 #31

All this defensiveness and attempts to bully are making me more suspicious. yardwork Nov 2017 #37

Perhaps my distance from even knowing who you're talking about.. moriah Nov 2017 #43

What? Maybe you should google Our Revolution before you accuse people of trolling. yardwork Nov 2017 #48

As I said, I meant it in the "make people think" sense. moriah Nov 2017 #54

Ok. I'm not trolling or trying to make a point. yardwork Nov 2017 #59

I support Franken 100% GaryCnf Nov 2017 #44

Republican don't defeat us we defeat ourselves delisen Nov 2017 #82

Hear! Hear! Redux solara Nov 2017 #90

Hear! Hear! solara Nov 2017 #83

Exactly why I'm asking what the hell is going on. yardwork Nov 2017 #85

This is how you ask what the hell is going on? solara Nov 2017 #92

I think you and I are in agreement. yardwork Nov 2017 #95

Not if calling for Franken to step down is your response solara Nov 2017 #100

You are completely missing the point of my OP. I agree with you! yardwork Nov 2017 #132

Because all you posted was the petition to replace Franken solara Nov 2017 #177

Did you read my OP? Have you read the whole thread? yardwork Nov 2017 #209

Ok, what about this? yardwork Nov 2017 #71

Looks like GaryCnf Nov 2017 #120

Does anyone GaryCnf Nov 2017 #39

Some Justice "Democrats" are actually Republican candidates lapucelle Nov 2017 #176

Oh, Please. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2017 #40

Exactly GaryCnf Nov 2017 #46

No way am I going to post a private email on the internet, redacted or not. yardwork Nov 2017 #47

It sounds like the person is a Republican JonLP24 Nov 2017 #49

He considers himself to be ultra-left. yardwork Nov 2017 #50

None of these things I would consider left at all JonLP24 Nov 2017 #51

I agree. He's become a real jerk. yardwork Nov 2017 #62

Do you need an intervention so you don"t take seriously what your jerk of a friend says to you? SharonClark Nov 2017 #222

One can consider themselves anything...but if they prefer Republicans, they are Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #154

Hes an asshole. RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #169

He sounds completely made up melman Nov 2017 #188

That person is, by definition, not a progressive. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2017 #52

All this makes me wonder what you are up to, having read this thread. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #53

Fantasy GaryCnf Nov 2017 #55

And every word is true. That's how messed up our country is now. yardwork Nov 2017 #57

People who GaryCnf Nov 2017 #67

Your friend decided to write you about Al Franken? jberryhill Nov 2017 #60

He writes often, and given the general context of his writings... yardwork Nov 2017 #65

WTF that's ridiculous njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #76

Isn't it!? I wish I were making it up. yardwork Nov 2017 #78

Your friend is all mixed up njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #229

Ha melman Nov 2017 #190

Lololol pangaia Nov 2017 #201

Your friend does not sound like a Dem or a progressive. He's messing with you. SharonClark Nov 2017 #220

'our revolution' is so telling... the OUR part is all about... samnsara Nov 2017 #56

I got 500 emails saying something to the contrary. David__77 Nov 2017 #64

I got emails from 100 people, but they were better people than the ones who sent yours jberryhill Nov 2017 #66

And I just got this in response to this thread: yardwork Nov 2017 #72

Thank you for sharing. David__77 Nov 2017 #75

"Justice Democrats" aren't doing us any favors. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #91

Justice Democrats are not Democrats...or even progressive. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #155

So it sounds like your friend made an assertion without any evidence... brooklynite Nov 2017 #80

What? Are you responding to the wrong thread? yardwork Nov 2017 #84

Your quote: "I received an email that made me wonder if the Our Revolution people are trying... brooklynite Nov 2017 #103

Where is that an assertion? yardwork Nov 2017 #134

Im just asking questions! aidbo Nov 2017 #223

The Justice Democrats PAC is calling for the removal of Senator Franken lapucelle Nov 2017 #88

I think the two groups are closely affiliated. I have my answer. yardwork Nov 2017 #93

+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #106

I'll send them an email letting them know what I think about replacing Franken. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #94

I hate that they dragged Keith Ellison's name into their scheme. lapucelle Nov 2017 #99

Here's the email I just sent to Justice Democrats: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #117

Wow...sing it sister (or brother)! lapucelle Nov 2017 #122

Great letter! mcar Nov 2017 #130

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2017 #143

Excellent! radical noodle Nov 2017 #206

Ellison is a good Democrat, but that isn't the issue, they are grouping Franken in with Moore, Trump still_one Nov 2017 #142

This is a Young Turk group and Ellison has zero to do with them. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #163

So having failed to tar Our Revolution the first go 'round Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #98

Our Revolution tarred itself when it expressed an willingness to embrace Republican candidates. lapucelle Nov 2017 #105

like I said: the point here is "bash the left, ass-grabbery be damned". Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #108

Those who support, endorse, and run Republican and/or Green candidates lapucelle Nov 2017 #110

No; it's a matter of understanding that The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #127

If the left doesn't support Democrats but helps elect Republicans...they can not be considered left. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #166

Our revolution said they would support GOP types...and will support the so Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #164

thanks for posting this, lapucelle. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #126

Screw them!!! still_one Nov 2017 #135

That is just sick and stupid as hell. R B Garr Nov 2017 #216

Our Revolution was founded by Sanders and Turner. Justice Democrats was founded by.... George II Nov 2017 #242

I don't know if there's any relationship between Our Revolution and "Justice Democrats", or.... George II Nov 2017 #112

Cenk? That explains it all. He's a scumbag. grossproffit Nov 2017 #113

I wonder who designed their creepy logo. lapucelle Nov 2017 #180

That looks very reminiscent of russian constructivist typography to me. Demit Nov 2017 #192

I have a feeling that the two groups lapucelle Nov 2017 #114

Which is why it only has 7000 signatures GaryCnf Nov 2017 #124

Two of the four (Cenk being the lynch pin) founders were high level Sanders staffers. George II Nov 2017 #129

Lol GaryCnf Nov 2017 #140

This isn't a Clinton/Sanders discussion, why bring up Clinton at all? The sub-thread is about.... George II Nov 2017 #156

Won't be sucked into actively refighting the primary GaryCnf Nov 2017 #200

You already did, thank you. George II Nov 2017 #205

Justice Dems is a TYT's associated project Starry Messenger Nov 2017 #116

Isn't TYT similar to RToday? Wwcd Nov 2017 #215

a guy who denies the armenian genocide wants to tell others about justice JI7 Nov 2017 #232

WOW, they are trying to replace him with Keith Ellison?!! R B Garr Nov 2017 #121

"Justice Democrats?" DFW Nov 2017 #131

Evidemment.... lapucelle Nov 2017 #152

WTF? KPN Nov 2017 #145

According to their leader Nina Turner lapucelle Nov 2017 #158

Kind of off the topic of the OP, but I'll play along. Can you provide a citation re: Nina Turner? KPN Nov 2017 #202

Her October interview to Cosmo Magazine. lapucelle Nov 2017 #203

My point made ... "for the sake of argument". KPN Nov 2017 #207

Our Revolution is in the market for Republicans to endorse and lapucelle Nov 2017 #221

Kudos Lapucelle. Well stated & spot on. Wwcd Nov 2017 #227

Our Revolution is in the market for Republicans to endorse? KPN Nov 2017 #235

According to Nina Turner, Our Revolution is open to endorsing Republicans. lapucelle Nov 2017 #240

OK. Got it. One county OR group in New Jersey endorsed the Green Party ticket KPN Nov 2017 #243

I'm glad people are finally understanding lapucelle Nov 2017 #244

Good one! KPN Nov 2017 #248

Here's some information about Ohio Republican/Justice Democrat Sam Ronan lapucelle Nov 2017 #241

Ronan only last week switched to R. KPN Nov 2017 #245

What a cynical opportunist Republican Ronan must be. lapucelle Nov 2017 #246

I don't know about that. KPN Nov 2017 #249

Context... lapucelle Nov 2017 #250

++++++++++ JHan Nov 2017 #252

Consider if they get rid of Franken...they also attacked Kamela Harris...they are clearing the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #147

Generally not a fan of zero tolerance on many issues elfin Nov 2017 #157

I get Our Revolution e-mails and haven't seen anything like it mvd Nov 2017 #174

Agreed. It would be counterproductive to raisiing funds for any "progressive" Republicans lapucelle Nov 2017 #225

Of course they are. Franken isn't the only one they're after, its been their mission all along Wwcd Nov 2017 #213

This is all nonsense melman Nov 2017 #228

Yup. That's what it looks like. Control-Z Nov 2017 #231

They actually spell it out. They make no bones about it. But people will still deny it. kcr Nov 2017 #237

Why would we deny it? Kentonio Nov 2017 #255

I don't know. You tell me. kcr Nov 2017 #257

I'm certainly not trying to get Republicans elected. Kentonio Nov 2017 #258

I support getting progressives elected kcr Nov 2017 #259

How do you know? Did you ask her? Kentonio Nov 2017 #260

I realize that this is an issue of different strategy. kcr Nov 2017 #261

But you're already going into that assuming ill intent Kentonio Nov 2017 #262

I haven't received any such emails and I'm an Our Revolution member. LongTomH Nov 2017 #251