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StevieM

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60. There are a lot of interesting answers on this thread. Here is another: Oliver North
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:01 PM
Nov 2017

Here is a link to a post a put up earlier this year.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028548992


We began down the road to Donald Trump on July 7, 1987 when Oliver North testified before Congress.

Looking back that was a real turning point.

I had thought in the past that nominating Trump was similar to nominating North in Virginia for Senate in 1994. It was the GOP voters' way of saying "screw you." But North has much greater relevance here.

People celebrated North as a hero. He kicked butt and took names. He placed blame on the liberal enemy within. He proclaimed that America doesn't lose wars and we could have won Vietnam if not for Washington politicians. He was clean cut and in uniform, as opposed to the long-haired hippy lawyer questioning him.

This was the start of the U.S. becoming fact-resistant. North was a hero even though he was clearly a criminal. Even though he clearly subverted the Constitution of the United States. His poll numbers later went down, but it is frightening that they were ever good to begin with. North was able to win people over simply by identifying the liberal threat to real Americans and doing his part to fight it.

Donald Trump won because of the fake email scandal. Had it not been for that fake scandal he would have been slaughtered. Even if you throw in the bogus attacks over Benghazi and the Clinton Foundation, along with the last-minute Obamacare premium hikes, HRC still would have destroyed him. If he was really lucky he might have lost by as little as 12 points. It probably would have been more like 14 points IMO. Obama would have beaten him by 20 points had he been allowed to run for re-election.

The ability to sell the fake email scandal was based on the lack of need for fact-based analysis. People decide based on their gut. It sounds about right that a former first lady would get special treatment. And so if people with titles like "Mr. Speaker" are saying "it defies explanation" that she isn't being indicted--for something--then they are inclined to believe it. They can't imagine that Republicans at the FBI or State Department Inspector General's Office would be partisan just because they are Republicans and this is what Republicans do. If you are a non-partisan voter than you are unlikely to be persuaded by a hyper-partisan argument, even if the facts are hyper-partisan. And that especially holds true when the accused is somehow associated with the liberal side and the accusers are somehow associated with the wonderful word "conservative."

Iran-Contra taught the Republicans that they can get away with anything. In a twisted way it makes perfect sense that Iran-Contra is treated like nothing while the fake email scandal is treated like Watergate. Because the facts are not relevant. Oliver North being treated like a hero is the ultimate example of that.

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You do have a point there. TreasonousBastard Nov 2017 #1
Yes, I think you might be right about Palin. I blame Bannon too... FM123 Nov 2017 #2
Dumbya proved anyone could be president. lpbk2713 Nov 2017 #3
#AnyFuckingBody. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #43
I think it started with Ronald Reagan. The dumb ass part livetohike Nov 2017 #4
+1 jberryhill Nov 2017 #5
yep...... fantase56 Nov 2017 #9
While Eisenhower was a gem compared to modern Republicans NewJeffCT Nov 2017 #14
Christ on a cracker I HOPE Trump is the nadir. Neema Nov 2017 #46
Eisenhower wasn't stupid, and he wasn't really a politician FakeNoose Nov 2017 #65
Yep. Him and Lee Atwater. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #28
You Bet ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #51
You made me smile. My Dad always referred to Reagan livetohike Nov 2017 #56
+1 Exactly. n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #57
No. Back in the 1970s when the centimillionaire and Hortensis Nov 2017 #6
I believe it began 27 years ago with with Gingrich, DeLay and Hate Radio. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #7
Yes - The GOP Mesmerized the Religious Right - until Terri Shaivo died. hexola Nov 2017 #73
Began with Raygun. kairos12 Nov 2017 #8
Yup wryter2000 Nov 2017 #15
Nope , it started with Newt Gingrich. octoberlib Nov 2017 #10
Ahh yes . Newt's Contract for America put the poor in slave labor camps Wwcd Nov 2017 #19
Reagan, Ford, Bush I, and Nixon Sucked, Too Leith Nov 2017 #11
Not sure what you're referring to loyalsister Nov 2017 #12
It started with Nixon marylandblue Nov 2017 #13
Nixon's The One! bonemachine Nov 2017 #35
He intentionally used a picture of Nixon throwing a foul ball, correct? jmowreader Nov 2017 #55
Precisely. Reagan's foot soldiers all came out of the Nixon administration... VOX Nov 2017 #72
As the alt-right was growing. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #16
Chicken and egg genxlib Nov 2017 #17
Palin's Tea Party is funded by the Kochs. Wwcd Nov 2017 #18
Ronald Reagan was just as ignorant and racist as Trump. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #20
Exactly! He was stupid enough to promote the Religious Right in the first place RainCaster Nov 2017 #32
I don't see anyone blaming theaocp Nov 2017 #21
"Does anyone else feel this all started with Sarah Palin"? Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2017 #22
palin paved the way for bannon AlexSFCA Nov 2017 #23
I think it started with Reagan. The St. Ronnie cult grew and grew and grew and Vinca Nov 2017 #24
For me, it started in 1974... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #25
As far as putting a completely unqualified candidate on the ballot - to some extent. LisaM Nov 2017 #26
Don't forget Dan Quayle DBoon Nov 2017 #40
AKA Mr. Potatoe crazycatlady Nov 2017 #41
No, it was way before that. More like nixon, who begot raygun and so on and so forth. kydo Nov 2017 #27
It really started with the early reptiles. byronius Nov 2017 #29
! Kali Nov 2017 #34
Yeah. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #54
How's that drumpf thingie workin' for ya? democratisphere Nov 2017 #30
Newt. marybourg Nov 2017 #31
Reagan. He lied like a mo' fo' and the press (even some Democrats) covered for his Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2017 #33
another vote for ray-gun Kali Nov 2017 #36
Having her on the ticket certainly contributed... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #37
It started in earnest on March 30, 1981, at a few moments after 3 pm EST . . . Journeyman Nov 2017 #38
Powell Manifesto. There's your initial blueprint. Efilroft Sul Nov 2017 #39
No , It started when the fucking MSM covered and kacekwl Nov 2017 #42
It was seemingly the moment where GOP ultimately decided Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2017 #44
I think the roots of the modern problem were with Joe McCarthy DFW Nov 2017 #45
I see it starting with Raygun the hand puppet Raine Nov 2017 #47
NO. Started with Birchers & fluoridation & Nixon & tanks & Gingrich & Fox & W & Palin. In other Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #48
Your post says it the best for me. The greedy and deceitful have always The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #59
The transition in the gop from Ford a decent man to Ronnie a fucking asshole dembotoz Nov 2017 #49
Newt Gingrich n/t jaysunb Nov 2017 #50
To some extent, yes. NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #52
The end of the fairness doctrine is a big part of the problem and Botany Nov 2017 #53
YES. The end of the Fairness Doctrine opened the door to bad journalism. The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #62
It is really hard to fathom the out and out crap that people are now being and have .... Botany Nov 2017 #68
No. This goes back to southern strategy and even before JI7 Nov 2017 #58
There are a lot of interesting answers on this thread. Here is another: Oliver North StevieM Nov 2017 #60
Once they saw how deeply foolish a candidate could be and still be applegrove Nov 2017 #61
the right-wing movement has many founders, but hate radio, then foxnews are greatly important. unblock Nov 2017 #63
Reagan - the white conservative GOD walkingman Nov 2017 #64
No, much earlier. Palin was a halfway house. JHB Nov 2017 #66
yeah. alphafemale Nov 2017 #67
Reagan made greed and stupidity fashionable Skittles Nov 2017 #69
Reagan was the watershed. PufPuf23 Nov 2017 #70
I'll take the long view. moondust Nov 2017 #71
I also blame Schmidt & Wallace for glorifying deplorables but.. Books_Tea_Alone Nov 2017 #74
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