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kcr

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22. Not fake in that this apparently actually happened from what I could find re Google

Wed Nov 29, 2017, 04:55 AM

Nov 2017

She could have made her point far more elegantly, however. Social justice warrior? But there was a point in there and people can call me a TERF if they want to. I really don't give a shit because the basis for that slur is that women have achieved total equality so they can be erased now. It's total bullshit. We don't have to make the fight for equality a zero sum game. Women give birth. Women are still fighting for equality. Women are still fighting for reproductive rights. Why in the HELL are we even arguing that any of that has to be ignored? It's insanity. I don't see why our identity has to be completely erased, and our fight made much harder in the process, in order to recognize the rights and equality of others? Ridiculous. I mostly see TERF used by sketchy anti-feminist types more than I see it in the LGBTQ community anyway.

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Is it just me or does this sound transphobic [View all] xmas74 Nov 2017 OP

No. SharonClark Nov 2017 #1

How do you figure Terfs are not transphobic bigots? stevenleser Nov 2017 #3

Talking about birth is bigotry now? kcr Nov 2017 #18

Seems like it to me. xmas74 Nov 2017 #5

Edit due to confusion kcr Nov 2017 #21

Terfs are bigots, its that simple. Yes they are transphobic but thats just the beginning nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #2

I have someone on Facebook posting this xmas74 Nov 2017 #6

Not surprised. Their belief system is evil and disjointed. stevenleser Nov 2017 #7

It's evil and disgusting. xmas74 Nov 2017 #9

More on Terfs from rationalwiki stevenleser Nov 2017 #4

Are there enough of these people that I should be concerned wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #8

Small subset xmas74 Nov 2017 #10

There's been a few show up at DU over the years. tammywammy Nov 2017 #13

Mostly older lesbians, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #17

Now that you explain it to me I can say I had a friend backin the early 80's in Los Angeles that wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #25

The problem is their presence online MountCleaners Nov 2017 #28

I no longer menstruate. xmas74 Nov 2017 #65

It definitely is melman Nov 2017 #11

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #12

fuck them. yes it's bigoted JI7 Nov 2017 #14

I'm confused. Is there really something wrong with midwives, or any of us, pnwmom Nov 2017 #15

Some men and non-binary people give birth. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #16

If someone explicitly says only born women are real women, of course. kcr Nov 2017 #19

The picture was just an illustration Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #27

I was confused at first and thought the attack was on the picture. However kcr Nov 2017 #31

Just put yourself in the position of a trans man giving birth, looking for a midwife, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #37

I'm sorry everyone can't be as aware as you are, Ms. Toad. We're Trying. kcr Nov 2017 #40

Evangelical midwives are not going to adopt that languages Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #52

But there's nothing stopping friendly midwives from adopting that language anyway kcr Nov 2017 #54

The point is they don't know to do it Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #59

Come on, now. kcr Nov 2017 #61

No - i don't. But others present wherever the message was given may be. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #66

There are a whole lot of things that don't occur to people kcr Nov 2017 #82

I know someone right now who identifies xmas74 Nov 2017 #71

+1000 Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #73

Does anyone bother to actually read what others say on DU? kcr Nov 2017 #76

I wondered why you replied xmas74 Nov 2017 #92

Call me Loretta Nevernose Nov 2017 #67

Well, if a particular man gives birth, then the medical personnel should refer to him as a him. pnwmom Nov 2017 #23

I looked at a few of her things xmas74 Nov 2017 #72

Not fake in that this apparently actually happened from what I could find re Google kcr Nov 2017 #22

No, there isn't. alarimer Nov 2017 #80

So, I read the post. Do transgender women not like being called women? kcr Nov 2017 #20

Exactly. xmas74 Nov 2017 #24

You have it backwards. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #26

TERF is a slur kcr Nov 2017 #29

I understand why the term exists MountCleaners Nov 2017 #30

Exactly. Call a transphobe a transphobe. kcr Nov 2017 #32

You apparently have not encountered self-identified feminists of this variety Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #33

I'm not claiming transphobic people don't exist. kcr Nov 2017 #35

Men can be TERFs too. It's not an identity-based label. It's based only on one's beliefs. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #41

Again. Guess what the F in TERF stands for? n/t kcr Nov 2017 #43

Because these women self-identified as radical feminists Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #44

So that gives people permission to slur all feminists? kcr Nov 2017 #46

It is not a slur on all feminists - Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #55

Well, slur away! kcr Nov 2017 #57

Feminazi is a right wing slur against all feminists. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #69

Transphobia has nothing to do with feminism. kcr Nov 2017 #78

These women are not homophobic, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #85

Wait, what? kcr Nov 2017 #87

TERF is a well deserved "slur." It offends the TERFs, just like how white supremacists hate being Oneironaut Nov 2017 #39

The people who insist TERFS exist do not make the distinctions you're making. kcr Nov 2017 #42

It stands for "Feminist." Oneironaut Nov 2017 #45

That is indeed my point. kcr Nov 2017 #47

There is no "agenda." The supposed "agenda" is a right wing strawman created to discredit the LGBTQ Oneironaut Nov 2017 #48

I think we're actually agreeing with each other, then. kcr Nov 2017 #49

Not at all. There are real TERFs who hate transpeople. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #50

There are real transphobic people who happen to identify as feminists, who hate transpeople kcr Nov 2017 #51

There is a sub on Reddit called "GenderCritical," for example, that is used by TERFs. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #53

Reddit, tho? kcr Nov 2017 #56

If you call Westboro Church out for being bigots, is that an attack on all Christianity? Oneironaut Nov 2017 #58

It is if you call them an acronym made specifically for Christians. kcr Nov 2017 #60

Christianity (or Feminism) is just the ideology that they are a part of, but they're extremists. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #62

Yes, it is. So, there's no reason to associate their bigotry with it. kcr Nov 2017 #63

Thank you for weighing in. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #68

There's no need to get through to anyone here, oh wise one n/t kcr Nov 2017 #77

Rather obviously, there is Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #86

You feel like men can be feminists, but they absolutely do not. gollygee Nov 2017 #81

Sounds like a No True Scotsman argument n/m RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #75

Only to someone who doesn't understand what a No True Scotsman fallacy is. kcr Nov 2017 #79

Youre saying no true feminist could be transphobic RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #88

No, I'm not and I have no idea why you're reading a very clear sentence that way. kcr Nov 2017 #89

No, I clearly cant follow your semantics RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #90

You mean my semantics where I actually talk about feminists who are transphobic? kcr Nov 2017 #91

No it doesn't gollygee Nov 2017 #83

Yes. That is my point. kcr Nov 2017 #84

The term "social justice warrior" is right wing hate speech. Initech Nov 2017 #34

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This is 101% a Cool Story Bro. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #36

I have a friend who is a trans woman. xmas74 Nov 2017 #64

I know TERFs. I've actually had to give turf to two t-women negotiating with semi-TERFs... moriah Nov 2017 #70

Sounds To Me RobinA Nov 2017 #74