We've abrogated our right to general welfare. (Reply #141)

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Sat Jul 21, 2012, 07:40 AM

Festivito (13,452 posts)

141. We've abrogated our right to general welfare.

Our right to connect responsibility with right.

No one wants two-year-olds to have a gun.
No one wants gun-felons to carry a gun.

Yet, somehow we cannot talk about this issue? Or, we relent to say "enough" with your rights?

I want to say that I am perhaps more liberal than you on how to manage guns. Liberal as in liberty, free, free to carry. (ASIDE: liberal, left, etc. is misused rhetoric I employ to talk about other misused rhetoric. Oh, the irony.)

What I care about more is whether or not I have made sure my fellow responsible American has received his needed health care, and mental health care, and psychological health care that my view of general welfare allows. We are a rich country. We want to enjoy our riches. The problem is that if we do not share our riches we do not get to enjoy our riches. Disparity of wealth is just as dangerous as disparity of power between carriers and non carriers assembling together.

Denying rights, as we did with alcohol causes people to hoard. It happened with alcohol, it happens with drugs, it happens with guns.

I think we'd agree, but our words are disagreeing.

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Your second amendment rights are getting in the way of our rights. [View all]	jillan	Jul 2012	OP
K&R	TheCowsCameHome	Jul 2012	#1
And costing an awful lot of money	malaise	Jul 2012	#2
I'd like	Peepsite	Jul 2012	#3
Of course not	bbinacan	Jul 2012	#7
LOL nt	Mojorabbit	Jul 2012	#8
Interesting question	primavera	Jul 2012	#133
+1000....Bingo!	rgbecker	Jul 2012	#148
Good logic	Progressive dog	Jul 2012	#152
Cut your 30,000 deaths in half - half of those are suicides. nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#196
That I won't: suicides are also considered wrongful deaths by law - n/t	primavera	Jul 2012	#247
What ever it takes to inflate your numbers? ok nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#248
No inflation, just the facts	primavera	Jul 2012	#250
So violent crime and mental health have a common cause	hack89	Jul 2012	#269
So how does the law punish a suicide? N/T	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#282
So a simple test that anyone from 15 to 90 can pass	hack89	Jul 2012	#198
Considering how many murders are committed by criminals who cannot legally own guns	hack89	Jul 2012	#202
Sure, once a law is passed saying they have to	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#216
You know, I've never understood this reasoning	primavera	Jul 2012	#246
It's not reasoning	bongbong	Jul 2012	#251
Over time our present gun laws have led to a drastic decline in violence and crime.	hack89	Jul 2012	#270
Not to mention the intent of the trigger puller vs the intent of the driver...	rudycantfail	Jul 2012	#268
Amen.	F. Kafka	Jul 2012	#277
Why don't you give blasting away at silhouette targets a break for a week or so?	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#32
Ok	Peepsite	Jul 2012	#79
No	lobodons	Jul 2012	#160
Replace gun with	bbinacan	Jul 2012	#4
The difference is it is much, much easier to get a gun.	hay rick	Jul 2012	#29
um...wut?	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#30
No kidding. Plus, killing 12 people with one knife and injuring	Zoeisright	Jul 2012	#48
Gun nuts are magical thinkers	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#95
Yup. And no, you did not forget the sarcasm thingy.	AllyCat	Jul 2012	#113
it's easier to get a gun than a knife?	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#146
Actually, in my town, yes. 12K people and one knife "dealer" and at least 3 gun shops	AllyCat	Jul 2012	#172
And you have to through a criminal backcheck to buy that knife? Really. nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#199
wasn't talking about background checks	AllyCat	Jul 2012	#230
Ease of purchase encompasses more then availability	hack89	Jul 2012	#232
Try looking around in any supermarket or hardware store.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#283
No, bombs are easier.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#154
You can purchase chemical weapons and bombs? /nt	Marr	Jul 2012	#111
You can't walk into a store and buy a bomb, no, but if you know what bits to buy	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#135
If fertilizer bombs are so easy to make...	hay rick	Jul 2012	#147
I don't know. Let me ask everyone in the U.S. I'll get back to you in 400 years n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#211
Seems to me such purchases are WATCHED.	Pholus	Jul 2012	#157
Bullshit!	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#167
Probably. My sense of self-worth is disconnected from the number of lethal tricks I know.	Pholus	Jul 2012	#170
I don't pride myself on being naive.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#273
No, you pride yourself on your "power" over others.	Pholus	Jul 2012	#276
You completely ignored the point.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#278
Actually, no. I left you some room to make your observation.	Pholus	Jul 2012	#280
So other forms of violence are OK with you?	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#281
Wow. A "violence culture" eh?	Pholus	Jul 2012	#286
You don't have to go to a gun store	Horse with no Name	Jul 2012	#174
All FFLs at a gun show have to have you fill out a 4473 and do and NICS check.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#279
There is a facebook group in our area	Horse with no Name	Jul 2012	#287
It's easy to make methamphetamine, too. Doesn't make it legal. /nt	Marr	Jul 2012	#193
Where did I say making a homemade bomb was legal? Oh, wait. I DIDN'T.	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#213
Let's try to stay on this logical track.	Marr	Jul 2012	#256
Let's get more logical if you please	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#274
You keep talking like no one understands that.	Marr	Jul 2012	#285
I can easily walk into a large grocery store and buy all sorts of things that nasties can be made of	hobbit709	Jul 2012	#272
Yes. You do it every time you fill up your car.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#156
That explains the huge numbers killed by gasoline attacks every year.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#162
Snark is not a rebuttal.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#165
Yes it is when massively stupid arguments are made.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#187
That's like claiming pipes are guns.	Marr	Jul 2012	#188
It can be MADE into one n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#214
So?	Marr	Jul 2012	#258
Good to know Molotov Cocktails aren't bombs. Bottle, gas, rag...boom	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#275
Yea, this shit happens all the time	Confusious	Jul 2012	#122
No,no,no!!!	DocMac	Jul 2012	#126
You can't go to the bomb shop and buy a bomb.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#161
Yet we don't see many chemical or bomb attacks. Nor are those protected by an outdated	morningfog	Jul 2012	#215
This message was self-deleted by its author	GarroHorus	Jul 2012	#5
Who is talking about having to amend the constitution???	jillan	Jul 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	GarroHorus	Jul 2012	#11
Regs can be strengthened and existing gun control laws enforced better.	DCBob	Jul 2012	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	GarroHorus	Jul 2012	#19
so its not reallly a constitution issue...	DCBob	Jul 2012	#21
What "existing laws are not enforced"?	former9thward	Jul 2012	#27
Laws against straw purchases are almost NEVER enforced NT	Trunk Monkey	Jul 2012	#101
The straw purchase law is almost impossible to enforce.	former9thward	Jul 2012	#227
Not entirely true	Trunk Monkey	Jul 2012	#233
SCOTUS allows restrictions on guns, particularly in public.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#34
Or it could go the other way and gun rights could be strengthened.	rl6214	Jul 2012	#62
Well NRA and gun types have been working for Obama/Dem's defeat.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#72
You never know which way a justice will vote, just look at your new favorite justice Roberts	rl6214	Jul 2012	#84
Yeah, I support 2nd Amendment too - I interpret it differently.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#86
LOL	pocoloco	Jul 2012	#46
poof!	DCBob	Jul 2012	#144
pursuit of happiness was about acquisition of material wealth	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#6
I have to correct you here - the pursuit of happiness is defined as a right.	jillan	Jul 2012	#14
pursuit of happiness was not about fun things to do	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#22
Not entirely--it's also about getting smarter, acquiring knowledge,	MADem	Jul 2012	#35
there is nothing in the constitution OR the declaration	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#36
You increase your knowledge every time your eyes take in a new thing.	MADem	Jul 2012	#37
Why would going to the movies be a stretch? n/t	A Simple Game	Jul 2012	#38
Because Prodigal believes our rights are limited only to a very narrow band of functions	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#98
And they probably don't like movies. n/t	A Simple Game	Jul 2012	#166
Insure domestic tranquility is, however, in the Constitution.	JDPriestly	Jul 2012	#45
That works for me. nt	MADem	Jul 2012	#54
And I don't.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#109
Every time someone screams "gun ban"...	beevul	Jul 2012	#130
Of course the gun defenders maintain that more guns in the hands of more people will result in more	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#140
Saying 'happiness' is 'getting stuff' is pretty shallow	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Jul 2012	#60
why do people keep thinking i said it was in the constitution	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#67
Wanna chuckle?	2ndAmForComputers	Jul 2012	#77
LOL	bongbong	Jul 2012	#255
Read what the UN has to say about human rights	WHEN CRABS ROAR	Jul 2012	#63
completely irrelevant... n/t	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#71
June 12, 1776- Virginia Declaration of Rights.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2012	#153
No, actually, it's not about material wealth.	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#97
wow...everything is a right...unless you're told it's not	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#137
of course we have a right to safety - that NRA meme does not hold water	DrDan	Jul 2012	#128
no...you don't	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#136
and please continue to listen to your overlords at the NRA	DrDan	Jul 2012	#139
wow...you just don't get it	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#143
no - I freely admit I do not get this obsession with guns	DrDan	Jul 2012	#173
Well, my responses have even really been about guns	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#175
we have fundamental rights - recognized by founding fathers	DrDan	Jul 2012	#176
ok...protected then...	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#178
"nanny state"? - there are thousands of laws and regulations based on protecting citizen safety	DrDan	Jul 2012	#181
'Pursuit of happiness' was a rewrite and imporvement on the original, which was merely 'pursuit of	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2012	#150
+1	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#234
K and freaking R. nt	Chorophyll	Jul 2012	#10
yes	flamingdem	Jul 2012	#12
Amen. Nt	xchrom	Jul 2012	#13
No flames here, I agree with you	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#15
Thank you for your insight. Anything in extreme becomes a problem.	jillan	Jul 2012	#18
They also never envisioned handguns and assault rifles.	Zoeisright	Jul 2012	#49
Exactly!....and tri-corn hats and weekend militia drills... As much as they want. N/t	pkdu	Jul 2012	#52
Then let's apply the same thinking to the first amendment.	NewMoonTherian	Jul 2012	#82
"They also never envisioned handguns...."	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#110
Er, handguns have been around since the 14th Century...	Johnny Rico	Jul 2012	#134
Um, yeah, good luck going on a shooting rampage with that. n/t	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#241
What was the musket in the time in which the 2nd was authored?	Marengo	Jul 2012	#186
I do too. Agree with you and hate gun nuts, both.	calimary	Jul 2012	#68
"Assault rifles" has a specific legal definition (ask the BATFE) and are highly regulated.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#125
Um, he used an AR-15 fitted with a 100-round drum clip	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#242
I'll repeat, for clarity:	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#244
Yay great. You found some legalistic mumbo jumbo to hide behind	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#259
That "legalistic mumbo jumbo" is the qualifier for a hefty Federal prison sentance....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#262
These are just a few of the things that pop up when I google AR-15 assault rifle	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#288
Other people's inaccuracies (pardon the pun) are not my fault....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#289
I myself don't consider legislation that could save lives piss poor	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#293
Did the previous "Assault Weapons Ban" "save lives"?	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#298
Well, the simple fact that as a general rule, states with gun control have less gun violence then	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#299
Cite to your stats, please? n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#300
The darker the state, the greater gun violence per 100,000 citizens	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#301
Thank you. That is an interesting map and stat set.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#302
Do you endorse the possession of machineguns and silencers by law enforcement?	Tejas	Jul 2012	#219
I also hate Republicans, tailgaters, homophobes, war criminals,	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#243
indeed, and the right to life is a basic human right	quinnox	Jul 2012	#16
For RWers, inanimate objects - like guns and corporations - have more rights than people.	baldguy	Jul 2012	#20
zing!	fascisthunter	Jul 2012	#105
Yes.	AlinPA	Jul 2012	#23
Fortunately hysteria is a protected right.	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#24
I'm with you on this!	Firebrand Gary	Jul 2012	#25
Liberals used to say it's a matter of National Security.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2012	#26
This couldn't be a back-handed way for those who want to steal power	Fire Walk With Me	Jul 2012	#28
Motor vehicles are getting in the way of my rights.	Daniel537	Jul 2012	#31
Assault weapons are designed to kill people. Motor vehicles aren't.	Chef Eric	Jul 2012	#59
Then assault weapons are doing what they are designed for, motor vehicles on the other hand	rl6214	Jul 2012	#64
Nerve gas is effective at doing what it's designed for, too.	Chef Eric	Jul 2012	#70
Not difficult to make	rl6214	Jul 2012	#83
You seem to like going off on tangents.	Chef Eric	Jul 2012	#94
Going off tangents?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#117
Again, you're not arguing clearly.	Chef Eric	Jul 2012	#138
You apparently missed this post by Primavera up thread.	rgbecker	Jul 2012	#151
59 percent of that 30K are	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#197
What was my point?	rgbecker	Jul 2012	#249
No. Who cares about the design? Guns are for KILLING PEOPLE.	AllyCat	Jul 2012	#116
Mine aren't. What labels do yours have on them? n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#263
Even with this event murders by "assault weapons"	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#66
I don't understand your point.	Chef Eric	Jul 2012	#76
Two points really	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#245
And yet over 40K people are killed every year by cars in this country.	Daniel537	Jul 2012	#221
Cars have other functions.	wickerwoman	Jul 2012	#240
Guns have many uses.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#264
Because the US economy would grind to a halt.	wickerwoman	Jul 2012	#267
None of your declaratives are true. Sorry to have to point that out to you. n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#290
You have to take 2 tests in order to operate a motor vehicle.	jillan	Jul 2012	#65
Untrue. Completely untrue. N/T	beevul	Jul 2012	#132
Your auto is tagged and registered. Your usage is routinely monitored.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#163
Not if the car stays on private property.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#168
I only need tags and a license to drive on public roads	hack89	Jul 2012	#201
And yet they still kill more than 40K a year.	Daniel537	Jul 2012	#223
Fail. n/t	ellisonz	Jul 2012	#115
Nope. n/t	Daniel537	Jul 2012	#222
American Exceptionalism	ErikJ	Jul 2012	#33
well stated....K and R	NRaleighLiberal	Jul 2012	#39
I say the same about alcohol -	lynne	Jul 2012	#40
You are nuts. Nobody will prevent my wife and from enjoying a beer at	Lucky Luciano	Jul 2012	#56
Alcohol is regulated.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#164
Yeah, shhhh!! Someone from the gun lobby	Lifelong Protester	Jul 2012	#41
How about right to life?	mahina	Jul 2012	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#44
Pro War fucks protest the family service clinics with little white crosses.	lonestarnot	Jul 2012	#88
Read you.	mahina	Jul 2012	#119
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#43
Get these dam people out	kitt6	Jul 2012	#47
Putin is a coward.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#114
Well said	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#50
We have to show ID to get a box of Sudafed	Politicub	Jul 2012	#51
We're still waiting to hear suggestions of "sensible" gun control laws.	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#57
Regulating the buying and selling of ammunition	Politicub	Jul 2012	#58
Magazine capacity	Peepsite	Jul 2012	#73
the AW ban was wrong	CbtEngr01	Jul 2012	#123
I guess you don't know much about ammunition...or how easy it is to make	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#254
Why not figure out what compelled this guy to engage in this despicable act?	ethereal1	Jul 2012	#53
The theater is to blame, they should have gotten one of these	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#55
A Fox "News" vidoe posted by a gun nut	Doctor_J	Jul 2012	#238
That just happened to be on a Fox link...it's all over the internet. How about responding to the	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#253
^ Definitely! ^ Holmes wired his apartment to explode!	Mimosa	Jul 2012	#190
Welcome. As usual this is going to be an endlessly futile poo-fight over guns,	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#235
I went and saw Batman last night at midnight,	rl6214	Jul 2012	#61
And I went to the store etc without being shot and didn't need to carry a concealed weapon	sabrina 1	Jul 2012	#80
Ummm. I thought assault............	yost69	Jul 2012	#69
You thought wrong. EOM	Raine1967	Jul 2012	#96
Assault rifles are effectively banned (rare exceptions), assault weapons are not.	Angleae	Jul 2012	#131
The dead don't care about the trivial technical minutiae of firearms design.	baldguy	Jul 2012	#155
Thank You jillian, I agree. knr, nuff said.	chknltl	Jul 2012	#74
The second amendment isn't getting in the way of any of that.	NewMoonTherian	Jul 2012	#75
That's why what is styled as 2nd Amendment rights are completely phony.	Loudly	Jul 2012	#78
And not one fucking thing will change. Nt	XanaDUer	Jul 2012	#81
I don't know you that well...	derby378	Jul 2012	#85
First, pray/send vibes/think positive thoughts for the victims	OmahaBlueDog	Jul 2012	#87
Excuse Me	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#106
No, you can't buy guns directly off the internet.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#159
Are You Nuts?	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#200
Killing with a firearm	The Wizard	Jul 2012	#89
jillan I took the liberty of making this a jpeg. Let me know if I should remove it.	tdb63	Jul 2012	#90
K&R Firearms in this country are not nearly well-regulated enough.	qb	Jul 2012	#91
You tell 'em, Jillan.	99Forever	Jul 2012	#92
A good way to fuck the NRA is to disrupt their money-making enterprise a little bit at a time.	firenewt	Jul 2012	#212
I'm not stopping YOU from doing anything. Stop trying to stop me without cause.	Sirveri	Jul 2012	#93
And I am not trying to stop you from doing anything either. What I would like to stop	jillan	Jul 2012	#107
Then quit coddling violent offenders with the revolving door!	Tejas	Jul 2012	#118
This guy had exactly one speeding ticket to his name, law breaking wise. And mass killers tend to	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#142
The disconnect between what just happened and that remedy is astounding.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#177
Your point is moot, he had no reprisal to fear.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#209
But you said slap on the wrist; life in prison is not a slap on the wrist.	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#220
What is so grueling nowadays about life in prison?	Tejas	Jul 2012	#225
Prison of any sort is no slap on the wrist. Most people in prison for life or on death row are not	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#226
Well, I admit, your "let's not do a fucking thing" idea IS cheaper.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#229
Of course that is not what I said.....Do you always make people's arguments for them?	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#231
Same here. That's why I support mandatory testing and licensing.	Sirveri	Jul 2012	#158
This message was self-deleted by its author	D23MIURG23	Jul 2012	#99
K/R~~~~	LovingA2andMI	Jul 2012	#100
What I don't Understand	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#102
Agreed. But unfortunately the same people that think the NRA is God are also gutting	jillan	Jul 2012	#108
Your regulations WOULD apply to law enforcement, yes?	Tejas	Jul 2012	#121
What's Your Point? n/t	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#191
If YES or NO are too difficult or confusing, I can try posting a poll(?)	Tejas	Jul 2012	#218
and this is but one misguided person	DrDan	Jul 2012	#129
I'm Just Now Learning About Mormons. n/t	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#192
What other legal activites would you like reported to law enforcement?	Marengo	Jul 2012	#189
So Holmes Legal Rights Trump	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#194
I notice you didn't answer the question...	Marengo	Jul 2012	#203
I Don't Answer Stupid n/t	DallasNE	Jul 2012	#206
No, you can't answer honestly as that would expose your bias.	Marengo	Jul 2012	#207
KABOOM!	fascisthunter	Jul 2012	#103
AMEN!!! Some day the American people will stand up to the gun nuts. But what on earth will it take?	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#104
Over half of your list are not "rights".	Tejas	Jul 2012	#112
Are you not familiar with the Declaration of Independence?	jillan	Jul 2012	#120
Yes, and those "rights" do not apply to the "feelings" in your OP.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#124
And "stuff" hahahaha	DocMac	Jul 2012	#127
We've abrogated our right to general welfare.	Festivito	Jul 2012	#141
Owning guns is a very LIBERAL IDEA	B Calm	Jul 2012	#145
It is the most protected amendment there is.	jillan	Jul 2012	#205
What a stupid post	Doctor_J	Jul 2012	#239
Lets get one thing straight, I haven't	B Calm	Jul 2012	#260
You're absolutely right.	beevul	Jul 2012	#261
Yup	Doctor_J	Jul 2012	#284
I agree with you, even if technically their are not 'rights'. In MY mind, and MY heart,	secondwind	Jul 2012	#149
This thread makes me ill.	baldguy	Jul 2012	#169
Yeah. This. Thanks! n/t	Horse with no Name	Jul 2012	#179
+100000!	jillan	Jul 2012	#204
So to be "responsible" means we have to do what you say?	Daniel537	Jul 2012	#224
But my life is dependant on some unknown stranger choosing NOT to put a bullet in my head today?	baldguy	Jul 2012	#228
Your life is dependent on thousands of people making correct decisions every day.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#265
+1! Agree completely, jillan...	Surya Gayatri	Jul 2012	#171
Fuck the NRA!	FailureToCommunicate	Jul 2012	#180
Thank you! Rants don't get more righteous than that.	tridim	Jul 2012	#182
you are completely right	samsingh	Jul 2012	#183
I agree completely.	CrispyQ	Jul 2012	#184
interpreting the second amendment	samsingh	Jul 2012	#185
This post says it all.	Cleita	Jul 2012	#195
Precisely. n/t	crim son	Jul 2012	#208
hendrix	Eljo_Don	Jul 2012	#210
THANK YOU!	One Voice	Jul 2012	#217
Compare buying a gun	azureblue	Jul 2012	#236
Well stated - n/t	primavera	Jul 2012	#252
Wow, so much that just isn't true.	beevul	Jul 2012	#266
99% of the vehicles sold in America are intended to be used on public roads	baldguy	Jul 2012	#271
Cite for that?	beevul	Jul 2012	#291
You've got to be kidding. Do wingnuts always need some authority figure to tell you what to think?	baldguy	Jul 2012	#292
You should get out more.	beevul	Jul 2012	#294
10 days before you get the keys to your new car.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#295
One car per month.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#296
No cars allowed in Washington, DC.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#297
on the flip side though.	PatrynXX	Jul 2012	#237
You make a good point.	senseandsensibility	Jul 2012	#257

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