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xmas74

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72. I looked at a few of her things

Wed Nov 29, 2017, 06:53 PM

Nov 2017

And then spoke to a CNM educator that I know irl. She says the push isn't towards dismissing terms used for labor and birth. She explained it as good manners and common courtesy towards a patient. If a cis woman is pregnant use feminine pronouns. A trans man, use masculine unless they request otherwise. She explained it as being no different than asking if a woman named Elizabeth prefers it over Beth,Bess, Liz or Eliza.

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Is it just me or does this sound transphobic [View all] xmas74 Nov 2017 OP

No. SharonClark Nov 2017 #1

How do you figure Terfs are not transphobic bigots? stevenleser Nov 2017 #3

Talking about birth is bigotry now? kcr Nov 2017 #18

Seems like it to me. xmas74 Nov 2017 #5

Edit due to confusion kcr Nov 2017 #21

Terfs are bigots, its that simple. Yes they are transphobic but thats just the beginning nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #2

I have someone on Facebook posting this xmas74 Nov 2017 #6

Not surprised. Their belief system is evil and disjointed. stevenleser Nov 2017 #7

It's evil and disgusting. xmas74 Nov 2017 #9

More on Terfs from rationalwiki stevenleser Nov 2017 #4

Are there enough of these people that I should be concerned wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #8

Small subset xmas74 Nov 2017 #10

There's been a few show up at DU over the years. tammywammy Nov 2017 #13

Mostly older lesbians, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #17

Now that you explain it to me I can say I had a friend backin the early 80's in Los Angeles that wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #25

The problem is their presence online MountCleaners Nov 2017 #28

I no longer menstruate. xmas74 Nov 2017 #65

It definitely is melman Nov 2017 #11

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #12

fuck them. yes it's bigoted JI7 Nov 2017 #14

I'm confused. Is there really something wrong with midwives, or any of us, pnwmom Nov 2017 #15

Some men and non-binary people give birth. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #16

If someone explicitly says only born women are real women, of course. kcr Nov 2017 #19

The picture was just an illustration Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #27

I was confused at first and thought the attack was on the picture. However kcr Nov 2017 #31

Just put yourself in the position of a trans man giving birth, looking for a midwife, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #37

I'm sorry everyone can't be as aware as you are, Ms. Toad. We're Trying. kcr Nov 2017 #40

Evangelical midwives are not going to adopt that languages Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #52

But there's nothing stopping friendly midwives from adopting that language anyway kcr Nov 2017 #54

The point is they don't know to do it Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #59

Come on, now. kcr Nov 2017 #61

No - i don't. But others present wherever the message was given may be. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #66

There are a whole lot of things that don't occur to people kcr Nov 2017 #82

I know someone right now who identifies xmas74 Nov 2017 #71

+1000 Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #73

Does anyone bother to actually read what others say on DU? kcr Nov 2017 #76

I wondered why you replied xmas74 Nov 2017 #92

Call me Loretta Nevernose Nov 2017 #67

Well, if a particular man gives birth, then the medical personnel should refer to him as a him. pnwmom Nov 2017 #23

I looked at a few of her things xmas74 Nov 2017 #72

Not fake in that this apparently actually happened from what I could find re Google kcr Nov 2017 #22

No, there isn't. alarimer Nov 2017 #80

So, I read the post. Do transgender women not like being called women? kcr Nov 2017 #20

Exactly. xmas74 Nov 2017 #24

You have it backwards. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #26

TERF is a slur kcr Nov 2017 #29

I understand why the term exists MountCleaners Nov 2017 #30

Exactly. Call a transphobe a transphobe. kcr Nov 2017 #32

You apparently have not encountered self-identified feminists of this variety Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #33

I'm not claiming transphobic people don't exist. kcr Nov 2017 #35

Men can be TERFs too. It's not an identity-based label. It's based only on one's beliefs. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #41

Again. Guess what the F in TERF stands for? n/t kcr Nov 2017 #43

Because these women self-identified as radical feminists Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #44

So that gives people permission to slur all feminists? kcr Nov 2017 #46

It is not a slur on all feminists - Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #55

Well, slur away! kcr Nov 2017 #57

Feminazi is a right wing slur against all feminists. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #69

Transphobia has nothing to do with feminism. kcr Nov 2017 #78

These women are not homophobic, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #85

Wait, what? kcr Nov 2017 #87

TERF is a well deserved "slur." It offends the TERFs, just like how white supremacists hate being Oneironaut Nov 2017 #39

The people who insist TERFS exist do not make the distinctions you're making. kcr Nov 2017 #42

It stands for "Feminist." Oneironaut Nov 2017 #45

That is indeed my point. kcr Nov 2017 #47

There is no "agenda." The supposed "agenda" is a right wing strawman created to discredit the LGBTQ Oneironaut Nov 2017 #48

I think we're actually agreeing with each other, then. kcr Nov 2017 #49

Not at all. There are real TERFs who hate transpeople. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #50

There are real transphobic people who happen to identify as feminists, who hate transpeople kcr Nov 2017 #51

There is a sub on Reddit called "GenderCritical," for example, that is used by TERFs. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #53

Reddit, tho? kcr Nov 2017 #56

If you call Westboro Church out for being bigots, is that an attack on all Christianity? Oneironaut Nov 2017 #58

It is if you call them an acronym made specifically for Christians. kcr Nov 2017 #60

Christianity (or Feminism) is just the ideology that they are a part of, but they're extremists. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #62

Yes, it is. So, there's no reason to associate their bigotry with it. kcr Nov 2017 #63

Thank you for weighing in. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #68

There's no need to get through to anyone here, oh wise one n/t kcr Nov 2017 #77

Rather obviously, there is Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #86

You feel like men can be feminists, but they absolutely do not. gollygee Nov 2017 #81

Sounds like a No True Scotsman argument n/m RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #75

Only to someone who doesn't understand what a No True Scotsman fallacy is. kcr Nov 2017 #79

Youre saying no true feminist could be transphobic RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #88

No, I'm not and I have no idea why you're reading a very clear sentence that way. kcr Nov 2017 #89

No, I clearly cant follow your semantics RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #90

You mean my semantics where I actually talk about feminists who are transphobic? kcr Nov 2017 #91

No it doesn't gollygee Nov 2017 #83

Yes. That is my point. kcr Nov 2017 #84

The term "social justice warrior" is right wing hate speech. Initech Nov 2017 #34

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This is 101% a Cool Story Bro. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #36

I have a friend who is a trans woman. xmas74 Nov 2017 #64

I know TERFs. I've actually had to give turf to two t-women negotiating with semi-TERFs... moriah Nov 2017 #70

Sounds To Me RobinA Nov 2017 #74