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Sophia4

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34. If you view the world as simply one of money and things, then your view makes
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 06:42 PM
Nov 2017

sense.

But if you view the world as human, animal, plant and material, then your view makes no sense. If you view the world as encompassing all things alive and things not alive, then you, as a human, want to be able to assess and understand your place in that world.

Only when we understand our place in the entire world of trees, of horses, of lions, of stars and constellations as well as of our fellow man, do we have the judgment and the social and spiritual values to live consciously, constructively and in harmony and peace with the world.

So that is, I submit, the problem with your view of education.

If your view of education had been dominant in the time of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Voltaire, John Locke, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, even Theodore Roosevelt, in the time of America's greatest moments, we, as a nation would not have risen to change the world.

We are not simply material objects thrown haphazardly into a material world in which making things and money is the point of life.

We are spiritual, social beings with needs that are partially but by no means entirely satisfied by things and money. We need and must have much more than career success to survive as a human race and as individuals.

Right now, in the Trump administration, we are seeing a regime that would agree with your view of education completely. They are wrong.

That materialistic point of view drives nations to war and results in hunger and despair because it is bent in only one direction. It does not serve the entirety of either the individual or society as a whole. It sees humankind as a bunch of things, as tools for a special elite of bosses. It is wrong.

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There are a lot of people out there customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #1
I had student loans from the 80s. They took me a while to pay back, but it was doable. LisaM Nov 2017 #5
Back when college was cheap customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #13
You can do it at lesser-known schools, which are cheaper. LisaM Nov 2017 #14
If students did not need to borrow huge sums to get a degree DBoon Nov 2017 #26
It's not so much the costs that are rising so fast (at least at large public universities)... Salviati Nov 2017 #28
There are a lot of people, especially business majors, who are in college "studying" Sophia4 Nov 2017 #2
You are so right, but part of the problem is employers. LisaM Nov 2017 #6
One of the most vicious cycles in job hunting Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2017 #18
Even a specific technical certification isn't enough DBoon Nov 2017 #27
Students should concentrate on learning something by age 22 that will enable them to make a living FarCenter Nov 2017 #10
They should first learn to think, and then learn to make a living. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #12
You can learn to think while studying a topic germane to making a living. FarCenter Nov 2017 #15
If you study something, you need a teacher. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #17
But you can take a course in Introduction to Computer Science using Python from MIT FarCenter Nov 2017 #22
Computer science is relatively cut and dry. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #31
I don't recall much interaction with professors in college. FarCenter Nov 2017 #32
In addition to my undergraduate degree, I have graduate degrees in two Sophia4 Nov 2017 #33
Wow, that's harsh. LisaM Nov 2017 #19
OK, how about by age 25? And not a lifetime career, just a start in the world or work. FarCenter Nov 2017 #20
But I didn't go to college to get a career. I went to get an education. LisaM Nov 2017 #21
Politically, many advocate for "investing" in education, while what you describe is an expense. FarCenter Nov 2017 #24
Well, you just seem tied to the idea that education is strictly for earning money, and not LisaM Nov 2017 #25
If you view the world as simply one of money and things, then your view makes Sophia4 Nov 2017 #34
I'd prefer physicians/educators/scientists/etc... to blow off college - total waste of time tenderfoot Nov 2017 #3
+1000 LongTomH Nov 2017 #7
Jealousy on the part of those who can't measure up in the classroom. That's all this is. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #8
Well said. N/t Iris Nov 2017 #11
The math is simple mythology Nov 2017 #4
Bricks and mortar colleges will go the way of bricks and mortar retailing FarCenter Nov 2017 #9
Meanwhile, rich Republicans send their kids to the Ivy League. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #16
They see college as a private club for the children of the elite DBoon Nov 2017 #29
Precisely! The better to keep the Ruling Class going. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #30
That is an unfair question... lame54 Nov 2017 #23
College isnt as useful anymore due to the cost USsoccerfan Dec 2017 #35
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