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Tatiana

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57. Those are very distinct cases.

Thu Nov 30, 2017, 08:49 PM

Nov 2017

This goes to the heart of the OP. If Franken was a sexual predator or harasser, this behavior would have first manifested and been evident in his workplace. However, his female co-workers (at SNL, in the Senate, and even back when Air America was broadcasting) have emphatically denied witnessing or being a recipient of this type of behavior. It is not logical to conclude that Franken would have ONLY engaged in this behavior in the MOST PUBLIC settings ever.

It makes no sense. However, Conyers's behavior is alleged to have happened in the workplace, much like Matt Lauer's, much like Weinstein's and most other people who sexually harass others.

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John Stewart Service and why I don't buy any of the Franken allegations [View all] grantcart Nov 2017 OP

Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #1

Agree it's to target prominent critic of Russiagate iluvtennis Nov 2017 #32

Yes to all of this. All of this. Ugh. That last sentence. I WISH others would listen, HAD listened kcr Nov 2017 #2

I agree. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #3

I confess!!! lapfog_1 Nov 2017 #4

That's where I'm at! Little Star Nov 2017 #6

Sorry to say this lapfog_1, but this means you cannot run for Congress still_one Nov 2017 #33

Unless he switches parties, in which case spooky3 Nov 2017 #53

good point!!!!!!!! still_one Nov 2017 #55

The current idea floating around that we must always believe allegations is a scary one. Demit Nov 2017 #5

While allegations must be listened to and treated seriously and with respect, delisen Nov 2017 #48

The current idea that allegations against a Democrat have to be part of a plot is a scary one oberliner Nov 2017 #7

And at least three of whom are Trump supporters, who just happened to have a smiling photo taken OnDoutside Nov 2017 #9

That you are unwilling or unable to allow two separate concepts to exist concurrently is 'scary' as LanternWaste Nov 2017 #10

Agreed oberliner Nov 2017 #18

Examining the claims for plausibility isn't dismissing them out of hand. Demit Nov 2017 #38

I absolutely believe some re-thug operative came across that pic of him grabbing Arianna ... mr_lebowski Nov 2017 #60

that's not the claim grantcart Nov 2017 #11

Yes it is oberliner Nov 2017 #20

Not your not getting it grantcart Nov 2017 #52

You are absolutely right, but, unfortunately you won't win this one.. pangaia Nov 2017 #42

Just where has this "idea that allegations against a Democrat have to be a part of a plot" Atticus Nov 2017 #17

What scares me is that you can't work up the same benefit of the doubt that you The Polack MSgt Nov 2017 #39

As is the current idea that allegations are always legitimate because it's a woman making them GaYellowDawg Dec 2017 #61

Franken vs. Conyers SpicyBoi Nov 2017 #8

It says that we believe in reason grantcart Nov 2017 #12

Just pointing out that... SpicyBoi Nov 2017 #15

We are forcing out someone who has gone through due process and the facts have been established grantcart Nov 2017 #16

It's 2017, all nuance is lost SpicyBoi Nov 2017 #21

I find your charachterization of AA voters to be inherently racist grantcart Nov 2017 #26

Hypothetical SpicyBoi Nov 2017 #29

I don't understand your hypothetical and its off point in any case grantcart Nov 2017 #34

Also in Conyers case a settlement was made through a judicial proceeding still_one Nov 2017 #35

Judicial or through the ethics committe at the House grantcart Nov 2017 #37

we are on the same page grant still_one Nov 2017 #41

i don't think prosecuting conyers is right questionseverything Dec 2017 #62

Those are very distinct cases. Tatiana Nov 2017 #57

I'm not buying it either. Ligyron Nov 2017 #13

I think it helps roy moore and the tax plan. tomp Dec 2017 #63

I agree. good post. Nitram Nov 2017 #14

Thank you ghostsinthemachine Nov 2017 #19

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K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #23

Absolutely. K&R trof Nov 2017 #24

I've heard rumors about Conyers for years Farmer-Rick Nov 2017 #25

Franken's district? jberryhill Nov 2017 #27

Yeah, you're right. His district is the entire state Farmer-Rick Nov 2017 #31

Hear! Hear! pandr32 Nov 2017 #28

Hear hear is so 19th century, lol. Its "dilly dilly" now. grantcart Nov 2017 #36

But what of the top hat I tipped pandr32 Nov 2017 #58

Thank you, well said PatSeg Nov 2017 #30

K&R Excellent post canetoad Nov 2017 #40

There's another very important difference: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #43

+1 spooky3 Nov 2017 #54

I agree with you. nt CozyMystery Nov 2017 #59

Thank you cp Nov 2017 #44

Well written, good bacground, and on point. K & R. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #45

Dilly Dilly! A most excellent post as usual for you, grantcart. K&R n/t. ms liberty Nov 2017 #46

Great post, and I find your argument compelling. klook Nov 2017 #47

As usual Egnever Nov 2017 #49

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K&R. dchill Nov 2017 #51

Yes, the right tries to use liberals' "sensitivity" against us. Excellent point. n/t Beartracks Nov 2017 #56

Hey! This is 2017! Stop it with the RATIONAL THINKING! Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #64

Awesome post grantcart... NoMoreRepugs Dec 2017 #65

thanks for your thoughts and insights . never heard of service untill now. AllaN01Bear Dec 2017 #66